Al-Sandcastle - the sportswashing barcodes

I am drawn to the romance of the idea of fan ownership. But even when giving it just a moment of thought, it seems unworkable. Arguably, when we were in the darkest days under G&H, and the court case was being fought with light at the end of the tunnel emerging, had an organized fan bid been in play… with a world class, and clear, leadership structure sorted out and the not insignificant matter of £300M being raised, then that could possibly have been the time.

But now? I just don’t see it.

The biggest hurdle, which is the finances, won’t be overcome. Let’s imagine the owners were willing to sell. And let’s imagine the price they would sell LFC is £2Billion. And let’s imagine issues with minority stakeholders could be resolved. All big hurdles themselves. Still, let’s put the scenario in play, and the club is up for grabs.

Now let’s ask, has £2 Billion been raised, and is the fan group ready to act? The answer is of course no and no.

You can’t talk about buying things if you don’t have the money. It’s daydreaming. Should the owners wish to sell at some point, the first criteria for prospective buyers will be proof of funds, and that might get you an initial conversation.

Beyond not having the money, I also see huge issues with structure, decision making, and requisite professionalism in all departments. Whatever one might think of FSG, they are world class businessmen, connected to other world class professionals.

Anyway, I love the romanticism of the idea… but in practicality, given where we are now at, it won’t happen.

And if the British government is all of a sudden able to nationalize private industries, surely they will want to make gas and electricity cheaper for people, or do something useful like that, rather than getting into football? Not to mention the issues that would come into play if the government could start to acquire privately held businesses.

No action being taken over that banner, doesn’t surprise me as it’s just listing facts isn’t it? Be nice to see similar ones at EVERY Newcastle away match. If possible some at their ground as well.

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It will be interesting to see whether the PL look to take action or put pressure on Crystal Palace to do so.

how’s that working out for everyone bar Bayern Munich? If ever there was a one-horse league… the fan-owned Dortmund is a pretty good feeder club though.

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It also ignores the fact that it wasn’t put in place explicitly to prevent what has happened in England. It was done to allow commercial investment.

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nothing on that banner is offensive to anyone who doesn’t have their head in the sand…

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I wonder if what is happening is that we are moving into the era of franchises that are akin to the NFL in terms of having the same teams year in year out - with the likelihood of PNE or Halifax or similar having next to no chance of getting into the PL. Will there be a race to buy up the 18-22 clubs that are worth owning (fan base and branding opportunity), i.e. to own a club that will have constant and consistent presence in the premiere league and provide a regular/steady income (or at least cash flow)?

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Podcast from The Guardian

Be interesting to see what awaits them at Anfield

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A little bit weird to say that they’ve got their club back.

The f*ck does that mean?

They have a different owner with a lot of money and it’s basically day 1 of that era. Who bloody knows what’s ahead.

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Errr… Bayern are fans-owned too… :thinking:

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How does it work in Germany.

Are clubs really “fan owned” or is this smoke and mirrors.

How does it work?

They are fans owned. No smoke nor mirrors. Their representatives are elected in a democratic process. Hoeness and co. for instance have to be regularly re-elected. Same for Watzke at Dortmund and so on.

The 50+1 rule ensures that at least 51% of the club is owned by fans. The rest of the shares can be owned by companies.

In Germany, there are two exceptions to this rule as far as I know: Bayer Leverkusen are historically owned by Bayer, the big Chem company, and Leipzig have been more recently rebuilt from scratch by Red Bull.

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Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim as well, not sure about Leipzig to be honest. I think they’ve fudged it.

Yeah indeed, Wolfsburg have historical ties with VW.

Hoffenheim on the other hand have been built from scratch by a businessman, but as far as I know, he has had to sell 51% of his shares to the fans. So, they are formally fans-owned.

That would be a car crash of biblical proportions

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So the way Bayern do it is that they monetise the other 49% better than the other clubs I guess?

A world of abuse hopefully.

I was doing some reading on this. Looks like the club has never actually “gone public” since it’s inception pre-WWI but is it’s own operating entity. The club owns 75% of it’s own operating shares, and 25% are split between Adidas, Audi and Allianz.

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Yes, they obviously profit from their years of dominance over the last decades, which has transformed them into financial behemoths.

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