Good news, even though I’ve heard today that also for the first time, the growth of the renewable energies has been lesser than the previous year. Of course, with that idiot sitting in the white house… 
Nevertheless, the direction is the good one, and hopefully the renewable energies will one day surpass energy production from oil as well.
The sun doesn’t go down, it gets further away and the fact you see it disappear from the bottom up is perspective and the distance our eyes can see.
Not quite, flerfism
Expansion of data centres. More heat generated, more drinking grade water used to cool the centres, more minerals to be mined. This planet is truly fucked.
I suppose the irony is that datacentres are one of the things that is relatively easy to run off renewables because they come with enormous battery storage by default.
So I’m trying to build good level of knowledge on this and sadly part of that is understanding the counter, conspiracy laden crap that comes with it.
The most common argument is that CO2 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere. What’s the solid argument against that? Saying it’s really potent doesnt work.
Thoughts?
Isn’t that just like saying, it’s only 100mg of arsenic. How can such a tiny amount kill a man?
You can’t argue with wilful stupidity. If someone says that they don’t believe in the science, ask them if they understand it.
Which is 50% higher than before the industrial revolution (1750).
I think it is very difficult to explain to an uninformed nincompoop. Rationale and facts don’t sway them if they don’t have the necessary education.
The earth just can not evolve at the pace of this change. It took millions of years for fossil fuels to form and trap what is now an excess. This allowed for life on earth as we know it. Nature can not cope with what’s happening nor can the planet.
I suppose the arguement is ‘ha, it won’t affect me!’
What do you want to say to that NooNoo?
They don’t want to know or listen anyway.
It’s the scale of time I think, a life isn’t long enough to feel the effects. Who’s still alive from before 1750?
Yep, I’ve tried that and will continue with it, but as a general theme these are the kind of arguments that need to be countered if people start to take it seriously.
Absolutely but they come back with higher in the distant past, and all that stuff.
Nothing that should absolutely stop them dead in their tracks and make them think for a moment.
If they cant see it and feel it, they wont believe it. Meanwhile my part if the UK has just been battered by another series of Atlantic storms. Biblical level rainfall etc.
For the planet it’s like a man drinking alcohol.
Beer is fine in moderation, then wine, fortified wine (port), spirits like whisky. More severe effects with each ‘step’. For the planet the CO2 is like drinking a spirit with 50% more alcohol to it you might as well be guzzling methylated spirit.
Just because the planet is much much bigger doesn’t mean it can handle it. It just takes longer.
Life was incredibly different when CO2 was at higher levels.
If they wish I’ll puff smoke in their faces to see if they like it. Coal mining was possibly the worst industry ever to work in. People should visit witness mines to just have a little insight to how horrible it was, we are now very individualistic the idea of the necessity of solid communities ‘long’ gone however without them mining coal wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes. We’re in different selfish times I’m afraid.
The prevailing wisdom is no because battery storage capability isnt close to what it needs to be to deal with peak useage requirements. Nuclear is the perceived best option and at least one of the major companies has already started plans to build their own reactor (most people think its marketing BS, but this is where the discussion is)
There are more elegant ways to express this, but the reality is you cannot use facts to convince someone out of a position they landed on because of ideology.
Knocking the arguments down will do nothing to sway anyone who is using them because those “facts” are not really the reason they believe what they believe.
100% agree but given the seriousness of the issue someone high up needs to start doing it and it cant be a politician either.
Until enough people see it and feel it, we will get nowhere.
Go for the climate refugees angle. I can guarantee that people who don’t won’t to deal with fossil fuel dependence, definitely don’t want to deal with displaced brown people.
I was in the states recently and having a tour of Yellowstone Park. I asked our guide how the park had been affected by global warming. I might as well have asked if the grizzly bears are happy to be hugged. The glib answer was that the climate there had not changed at all in the 40 years he had worked there and that global warming, even if it exists, has been scientifically proved not to be man made..
I asked him why the park website stated that the snow came later, and was less deep and spring came earlier. The answer was all that stuff was put on under pressure from the Biden Administration and in his opinion should be removed now..
The only way for it to be depoliticized in the eyes of people who currently believe the bullshit is for the Republican party to change course and start telling them a different story.
This was not a political issue until the Bush Sr era and there is a generation of disbelievers who were around and voting for a guy (Regan) who was very clear about the existence of and risk from climate change, but the lobbyists worked their way into the party during Sr’s time and we are where we are now. Given that, you cannot address misunderstandings through science education. Instead you have to view the challenge through the same lens as anyway you de/reprogram someone who has been politicized to believe other fairtyales.
Reform are on the same ticket here in the UK in that Net Zero is a waste of money and that green levies are the reason UK energy bills are so high. Both are lies.
But, the reality or facts do not matter. Even arguing that if you had solar on the roof of your house you’d have cheaper bills doesnt work. Its nuts how entrenched people have become. Ground we’ve obviously covered previously.
As you said there’s no convincing these people.