So you seem to have missed that I am not raging against pick ups per se, but the modern north American version that has massively increased their size. Look at the image I posted. It is so big that the traditional sized older pick up is below the line of sight of the driver. The storage capacity of these newer models hasnt increased, but this greater size has resulted in them being massively more dangerous.
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lack of visibility? hahahaha my word. havenât you driven one before?
You are illustrating my point. They give the illusion of greater visibility because you can see further, but at the cost of less visibility of the stuff near you, the stuff that is in killing distance. This is largely why they are so over represented in collisions
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not true. the modern version of the pickup truck hasnât significantly increased their size in 30 years.
1990 F350 - 7.3L diesel
Dimensions Length 245.7 in.
Overall width without mirrors 79.0 in.
Wheelbase 168.4 in.
Maximum towing capacity 12,500 lbs
2022 F350 - 6.7L diesel
Dimensions Length 250 in
Overall width without mirrors 80 in
Wheelbase 160 in
Maximum towing capacity 21200 lbs
I asked you if youâve driven one, not if you can reference some obscure website that shows a picture of 6 skids sitting in front of a parked car.
Dude, youâre arguing with math. My own experience is not that insightful in arguing with geometry, but FWIW yes I have driven one and fucking hated it, precisely because I hated the blind spots it had
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/the-hidden-dangers-of-big-trucks/
A CR analysis of industry data shows that the hood height of passenger trucks has increased by an average of at least 11 percent since 2000 and that new pickups grew 24 percent heavier on average from 2000 to 2018. On some heavy-duty trucks, such as the Ford F-250, the front edge of the hood is now 55 inches or more off the groundâas tall as the roof of some sedans. New CR data shows that drivers have poorer front sight lines, creating a blind spot that can hide a pedestrian or smaller car right in front. âThese trends are alarming,â says William Wallace, CRâs manager of safety policy. âAutomakers must put safety first for people inside and outside the vehicle.â
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The F-150 Lightning (fully electric) is just as big. Is that one okay? #rollinglithium.
Why would it be? If an argument is about the size of vehicle then it doesnt matter what it is fueled by. In fact it is even worse because when sized matched electric cars are significantly heavier making the electric version even more dangerous in collisions.
There is value to it as a PoC, but I dont think is the route that electrification of our cars should take (an excuse to drive monster cars guilt free because theyâre electric).
But wonât I scare more liberal pipsqueaks when I leap from my monster truck laden with my legally-obtained firearms? Thereâs always that to consider. Okay, thatâs trolling, but it is Friday, after all.
I agree. I drive one and am aware of where the blind spots are and adjust accordingly. Even looking left and right (right hand drive in my case) at a stop and go is difficult visually.
Isnât it amazing how all of these commercial vehicles run around the world 24/7 carrying various commodities, with blind spots much bigger than that of a full-size pickup truck? 
ActuallyâŚ
If Iâm not wrong some of them have gotten to the point where theyâre either getting banned in cities, or being required to install cameras to monitor blind spots.
you cannot ban delivery vehicles in citiesâŚhow do you think restaurants and hotels get their deliveries? Mail and courier trucks? moving vehicles?
most vehicles from my companyâs 150-truck fleet that go into the downtown core are 9m long or less. ~30ft. But still significantly bigger than a pickup truck. and they negotiate the worst traffic in the city without incident
True story this.
Many years ago I used to drive a 30â long lorry, and would effortlessly reverse it through a pend with about 1" clearance either side of my mirrors.
Never once scraped the mirrors.
After dropping the lorry off at the yard, Iâd drive home and often twatted the wing mirror of my Talbot Samba on the gate post while reversing up my drive.
Good question. They still manage somehow. Iâm not sure exactly how theyâre doing it, but I believe itâs a combination of smaller vehicles (often electrified), and newer vehicles that resolve that blind spot problem through technology, like I mentioned?
that modern blind spot problem technology?
my biggest issue right now is I cannot see my 14â princecraft fishing boat behind my 21ft RV when Iâm backing up, as thereâs no visibility below the rear window. so when I go to a lake itâs a bit of a challenge at the boat launch, usually Iâll have to ask someone to drop it in for me
thereâs a solution to every problem.
I donât want a truck, but I own a home and have a large yard and a garden. solution: buy a small utility trailer thatâll hold a half cord of firewood or a yard of dirt/sand or 1500lb of lumber⌠my 2.0L Santa Fe has a 3500lb tow capacity, problem solved
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Many lorries and buses now have blind spot cameras. Too many squished cyclists.
Your average monster truck doesnât other than a reversing one maybe.
I could never quite get my head around the US fascination with super large engines that donât really offer anything more performance wise for the Average Joe than what youâd get here in the UK say. Not having a go as such, itâs just something Iâve never understood.
Missus has just treated herself to a new car. A small Chelsea tractor but the thing only has a 1.0l engine in it. Honestly goes ok once you get your head around the lane control thingy.
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