Right, but Bush’s were a result of what he did whereas Biden’s are in the modern context of the post-Obama hyperpartisanship.
I also wonder how any of the wrong track people are answering a different question than the pollsters think they are asking? I know I would inclined we’re on the track given what one of the two political parties are committed to doing and is not a reflection on the president the way these data are typically interpreted to be.
Yes, the more you think about it, the more ambiguous it becomes.
Why not contextualise it in relation to who controls Congress? Surely the lawmakers are as much, if not more, responsible for whether the people feel that the country is on the right track.
Also, what track? Economic, Foreign Policy, Moral?
Guns, surely.
Very good point.
I guess this is at the heart of what people have been banging on about for years…very hard to engage in good faith when it is beyond any credible doubt that the other side is not.
but this is an opinion poll, right? not based off KPI’s for economic growth, unemployment, etc.
who were polled, what demographic?
This thread articulates the feeling behind the above post really well.
Biden got up Friday and made an articulate and impassioned speech which he delivered almost flawlessly.A few hours later Trump stood up and was doing impressions of Biden stuttering and forgetting his lines.I would be interested to know which performance was seen by the most voters.
For what it’s worth I thought Biden was bang on the money with the personal attacks and harking back to Jan 6 and the attempted coup. He should be as relentless with that line as the Trump campaign is with his age.
On a related note , are we likely to see the traditional Presidential debates this time around ? (I had heard there was a possibility that we might not.)
The Hatch Act makes it surprisingly complicated for a sitting president to talk about a rival candidate. It disallows campaigning while performing presidential duties so he’s technically limited to only talking about Trump or his contrasts to him when directly asked by a reporter (and even that is dodgy) or at an even specifically organized and paid for by his campaign without involvement of his actual white house staff. The point of this isn’t that its an unsurmountable obstacle, but more that he doesnt seem yet to be wanting to switch gears into campaign mode so you’re seeing little of this from him so far. But when he does make that switch I think this is all you’re going to see.
But I think the awfulness of Trump’s comments are really what I was pointing to in my Pete length comment the other day - Trump as an thing has continued to be in the spotlight while he as a person has kind of taken a back seat. The more he comes back out the more people are going to be forced to remember his awfulness. Both the meanness and the stupidity. In that speech we saw
Anyone opposed to me opening a USA 2024 Election thread? Just want to put some thoughts down before the candidates are officially selected.
No worries, but aren’t US politics and Trump threads enough?
Watching US politics, or most politics everywhere in fact, reminds me of a movie I watched where a girl was so grateful when she was rescued by a group of men from forced prostitution only to become a victim of organ trade by the group of men.
Whoever the voter choose, they are fucked in one way or another
I disagree. One side is much worse than the other in this case.
The narrative that they are all as bad as each other is pushed by the Trumpists to excuse his criminal behaviour, but there is no one on the Democrat side with a record of lies, hate-mongering, corruption and lawbreaking that comes anywhere close to Trump.
Yeah, going forward, there will not be much beyond the election/campaigns to discuss.
Yes, there will be no US politics that is about anything else.
Go for it.
Is anyone keeping up with the plagiarism scandal? It is a perfect encapsulation of how the right dont actually give a fuck about the things they claim to believe are important, but instead weaponize things the left think are important against them, knowing there will plenty of allies on the left more interested in appearing to be fair and impartial than playing the game.
The Harvard president comes before the House to answer questions about supposed anti-Semitism on campus. The premise of those in the GOP was the speech code was being weaponized against jews by having different standards for what can be said about Palestine vs Isreal.
Her responses were not good, but they absolutely were not what everyone on the right claimed she was saying. They stuck to their version of the story though
The right then pushed on all fronts to get her to resign. Yes, the people who refused to condemn the overtly anti Semitic Charlottesville march in 2017 are now pretending to care about anti semitism, but really all they are trying to do is smear an elite institution as part of their culture war against knowledge
She refused to resign and seemed to have enough backing to hold that line. The GOP then switch to attack the concept of DEI…seemingly the only reason a black woman would have that role, one for which by definition, because of DEI and her being black, she is not qualified for
They dig up evidence of “plagarism” in her academic work going back a decade or longer.
Plagarism is a term that has cover a really broad spectrum of behaviors. Some are career ending but some are things that are technically wrong that have only trivial importance. There is a lot of nuance and you need to have been involved in academic writing as a career to really understand it. Gay’s transgressions were very much on the trivial end of the spectrum. The right coalesced to all pretend it was on the career ending end.
Unlike the campus anti-semitism and anti-DEI attacks, this part of the attack seemed to land. Main stream outlets covered it intently doing that thing where their validation as being good at the job comes from as being hard on their side as they are on the right. “If we claim academic integrity is important we have to take this seriously even if the attacks are coming from bad faith actors who dont know what they are taking about”. People in academia were arguing that if this was a can of worms that should not be opened because if you held this standard for everyone there would be a blood bath. Eventually Gay was forced to resign.
The man who really kick started the attack is a known bad actor, the man who created the CRT furor, Chris Ruffo. It was very quickly after documented that he himself had committed a flagrant act of academic misconduct by listing a graduate degree from Harvard that he does not have. What he has is a graduate certificate from an extension school, which Harvard are very clear to point out is NOT Harvard. This is in the realm of career ending misconduct. So what has happened? Because no one on the right really gives a shit he has just updated his bio and moved on while dismissing criticisms of the incident as politically motivated against a small admirative mistake
One of the men who was loudest in the criticism of Gay was a Musk like up his own arse bloviator called Bill Ackman. Business Insider subsequently released a story on how his Harvard PhD wife had lifted whole section of her thesis from wikipedia without attribution. The type and scale and plagarism here is way different than was identified in the Gay scandal, but how do you think Ackman responded? Sure enough, this form of plagarism was just an honest mistake and anyone raising it is just involved in an politically motivated attack with groundless accusations.
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10. The published of Business Insider is now performing an investigation in to the publication of their piece over supposed concerns it was anti-semitic because it targeted a jewish person.
Pete out!
believe Denis Leary said it best
“who the fuck is Pete. fuck Pete”
That’s why Pete didn’t fix his phone