Ding Dong.....the US Politics Thread (Part 2)

…and sadly other indigenous populations. Emma on Majority Report mentioned this article. Thought I’d share.

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We need a :face_vomiting: reaction…

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At the going rate, I’m really surprised that Trump hasn’t already talked about annexing Mexico as well…

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What a guy.

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American Imperialism has from day 1 struggled with the paradox of the land they wanted containing the non-white people they don’t. While the current Mexican-US border looks sensible, it would have looked very different when redrawn 150 years ago if not for wanting to maximize the land grab while minimizing the number of Mexicans that came with it.

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I mean he stopped being president in November so hasnt exactly seen out his first term

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That is literally true. He has been like a First Lady ever since he lost the election. Sometimes in the media, but about nothing important. It’s all about team Trump dictating. It gives Lame Duck new meaning. Proper term for Biden is probably more the remains of a dead duck.

Oh, there is talk about that. Just that it is a couple of weeks old and not from yesterday. Expect it to come up again and intensify.

Trump’s Annexation Proposal. Following statements made by US president-elect Donald Trump, who suggested that Mexico should be annexed to the United States, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum reaffirmed that “Mexico is a free, sovereign, and independent country, and we will always defend that.”

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From today:
https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1877034987364430335

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It is becoming increasingly clear that Canada needs to upgrade its relationship with China.

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I have come to the same conclusion regarding Europe. We cannot rely on or trust the US and China is far more stable and set to take over hegemony after the US. China is the only state that could be able to check Russia’s imperial ambitions due to their economic ties. It is the natural consequence of the rise of Trump and the betrayal of common values (so called liberal order).

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And with Europe. And with Mexico and the Southern American States.

Let’s assume that there is an ounce of intent of doing the things he says (I can’t really believe that, but then, the same was being said by most in the thirties about Germany), there needs to be a strong front against that.

If these idiots are confronted with the whole rest of the world saying no, maybe they’ll calm down.

Yeah, but look at China’s regime. Would you want them to get more influence over Europe? I certainly wouldn’t want to see them becoming our new overlords.
Hmm… :thinking:

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Europe is not a particularly open door - ratification of CETA has been moving at a snail’s pace and is now seemingly in trouble in France. It is not obvious how ties can be upgraded further, other than not inviting the US to the NATO parties. However, NATO minus the US doesn’t have a great deal of capacity for power projection, and the EU has a real emerging threat fairly close by.

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Of course not. China is awful!!!

But that’s not the point. We cannot choose between good things, we can only choose between plague and cholera. And if plague threatens to betray you, threaten you in actuality, then cholera far away is better than nothing. The point is that with the rise and return of Imperialism and irrendentist imperial policies in this new century, with Russia hyper agressive and stuck in imperial fascist ideology, set to continue expansionist wars and with the US returning to the same, there are not many options.

Today, in this world: There is Russia, Turkey (only a regional ambitions), Israel (regional ambitions), Azerbadjan (only a threat to Armenia) and many states in Africa and Asia with limited revanchist ambitions. China has such ambitions too, but primarily towards Taiwan and reunification. North Korea has such ambitions.

The point is that we in Europe don’t and we are currently militarily incredibly weak. Politically, we are getting weaker. If the US turns hostile, there are not many options. The nuclear umbrella of France and the UK looks dubious to rely on alone for checking expansion of the Russian Empire.

I mean, what is your prefered option ? Do you have a good one, because I don’t. At least China, if the US is hostile and NATO breaks down, can check Russian ambition if we get closer to them, due to their immense power over Russia.

It’s literally back to the 1930s today and then perhaps geopolitics demands that one is friendly with vile states. I don’t know. I see no good options. I want us to be “morally pure”, but how is this possible ?

I mean, we have had something nice. A long period of “nice”. But it looks like it has come to an end in a historical perspective. The Post War era, the dreams of a better future and a kinder world (and people) seem to have evaporated. Americans don’t want it anymore. They threaten to discard it. So what then to do, if you are too weak ? Trust that the Sharks are kind and vegan ? Does not sound wise.

Or we can rearm to an incredible and unrealistic degree (note the word unrealistic, because it is not politically possible, I think, with vast European armies, since it would also require a change in culture as well as cost money).
Or we can all get nukes. Yai. I don’t think that sounds great either…

But I say we. In reality, without alliances, small states such as my own are fucked and must humble and prostrate themselves in front of Empire. That is the world that was a century ago and it is the world that is alarmingly close to returning.

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But hopefully, this will all continue to be hypotehtical worst case scenarios.

But there is nothing wrong about taking worst case scenarios seriously and even preparing for them. But hopefully, Trump will turn out to be Donald Duck on crack (very possible) and my greatest fears regarding continued Russian expansion, is all hyperbole and unfounded (slightly less possible, I think). That would be nice.

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Relax. Trump is the ‘candidate of peace’ after all.

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Remember, young people being concerned that Comrade Kamala was going to reinstitute the draft and draft them into engaging in a pointless military conflict was a non-trivial driver in the youth vote for Trump. Now here we are 2 weeks before he’s even inaugurated and Donald the Dove is saber rattling against NATO partners over silly nonsense. And MAGA says “yes, we always supported this new thing”

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A 5-6 trillion purchase gives 100M to each citizen. I know it won’t work like that, but that’s just to illustrate if there are any single people on here, you might want to get yourself to Greenland and find a nice partner :joy:

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