Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 2)

Reports out that that Trump wants to back down from the tariff confrontation with some sort of deal. I don’t think that is really possible now. He is playing at threatening to punch, then laughing at the reaction. Any concession whatsoever just encourages more. Any deal or agreement isn’t worth the paper it is written on. The uncertainty created is part of Trump’s game.

The only course ahead for Canada and Mexico is disengagement, and connecting to Europe and China. Cancel the F35 deal, start rearmament alongside Europe, and get our own nuclear capability. Back in the 1950’s, that was dropped from consideration because of the delivery system problem, but we really only need about 1000km.

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Replace US with Republicans and I agree. It is important that everyone realise that the Republican Party is complicit in treason. The republican party, and by extension its members, should be held responsible for this. I understand that the US maintains the death penalty for treason.

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For the sake of the world, lets hope its civil war. The deplorables deserve to fester in their imbred stupidity not infect the civilised world.

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Agree,Trump wants to get into bed with Putin,others should form their own bloc,it has been a long time since the US could be regarded as a reliable ally.
If Europe can get their act together for the common good,then the relevance of the US hugging Putin is greatly diminished.

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I had to fact check this, as I am not particularly au fait with US law.

Turns out you’re 100% correct:

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It almost doesn’t matter. He is a traitor. The republican party who are standing with him, enabling and enacting this are traitors. Members of the republican party are members of a treasonous group which, under US law, makes them traitors too.

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I agree with you, but stupidity and arrogance works both ways.
Is it not stupid and arrogant to believe, the stupid and arrogant are stupid and arrogant?
So who are the stupid and the arrogant?

Depends on whether you have an objective criteria to determine the former, which leads into the latter.

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https://x.com/Acyn/status/1897130948720046427
https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1897111935583396266
https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1897142554207961421
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1897112284377583671

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https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1897148926173630771

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https://x.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1897149198300291120

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Isn’t the belief that you are right an objective criteria?

To be a moral traitor, which they are, I agree, is not the same as being a traitor, legally speaking. I am not an expert on US law, but I assume the country needs to be at a state of war, to be charged for treason and a super quick google confirms that. It is contemptible to lobby for geopolitical rivals, but it’s not technically treason. You and I can call them traitors, they are. But not legally speaking.

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What about espionage? Pretty sure that would charged as treason, no?

No.

Googling gives this:

The 1917 Espionage Act, from which the 1954 Act derives much of its wording, authorized the death penalty for espionage “in time of war” but limited peace- time infractions to a sentence of twenty years in prison. Id. § 2, 40 Stat. at 218-19.

But it is treason. But not “legal” treason. You can be a traitor and not be charged as such because treason is specific in the law and so on.

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This was actually a defence argument for William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) as he was not actually a British national and, therefore, could not have committed treason. They hung him anyway because he was a cunt.

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He had a British passport, so they could get away with it :slight_smile:
One of the few times, getting a passport (and I understand he got it in a nefarious manner) backfired spectacularly.

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I’m referring to objective criteria to determine stupidity.

Made the rope for his own neck, so to speak.

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