His role was basically defunct anyway. He came in to manage the multi club model but there’s no multi club model.
Think in the “suit” world the hierarchy looks a bit different.
Maybe clubs with a wide span of affiliate clubs, Man City etc. Would be seen as the most fulfilling and then there is probably higher paying jobs at the likes of Man Utd/Newcastle etc.
A system is as good as the person operating it. Case in point: VAR in the PL.
why you gotta bring VAR into i though lol
Not to bothered with Gordon stepping in… Multiple club models are causing a lot of issues, I have a feel he probably had a fair amount of sway on Slot’s departure.
Allow Gordon to act as the overall and promote Woodfine who has earned his stripes at the club.
As for Edwards he will want a step up not sure who that exists for and as I said Multiple club models are causing stress, the only place I would have liked us to engage one is perhaps a Championship type club in Europe or one in South America.
That’s fair, but I’d push back a little here @RedArmada: VAR is actually a good example of a badly designed system, not proof that systems don’t matter. The technology and the protocol dictate what an official is even allowed to look at and how much subjectivity they retain. A referee under VAR is operating inside constraints that weren’t there before, and the inconsistency people complain about often traces back to vague rules (what counts as “clear and obvious,” how thresholds for handball are defined) rather than purely to the individual in the booth.
The Bournemouth/Brentford/Brighton point isn’t that people don’t matter; obviously, execution matters. It’s that a good system lowers the variance between operators, so results don’t collapse when one specific person leaves? VAR is arguably the opposite: it’s a system that still leaves too much down to individual judgment without clear enough rules, so you get wildly different outcomes depending on who’s in the chair. That’s a system failure, not a rebuttal to the idea that systems reduce reliance on any one person.
Was never really a fan of the whole multi-club thing. I get that it’s the way things are going but think you could have a lot of the benefits of what it would offer with some mutually beneficial strategic agreements that don’t make other clubs just a place to park loanees and to cover your PSR issues.
As for Edwards, he clearly didn’t want to just be tied to a role in the transfer side of things. Did a great job in his first stint and reality is we have no idea how involved he was this time around. We also don’t know how well last summer’s business might turn out. A few people seem very dismissive of it but none of those deals were done with just last season in mind. Think we should give it the benefit of the doubt until we see what Iraola can do with them.
End of the day Edwards is a suit. And there’s only so much I can care about the departure of a suit, especially one no longer doing the job he earned his reputation on.
The VAR thing was more of a joke rather than a serious answer but yeah, I agree with what you are saying; After all, the whole point of us having a “head coach” instead of a manager is to prevent a total reset each time there is a change.
In any case though, the human element still matters.
Not even sure if it is going that way. Issues and tightening of regulations seem to make it a long term headache.
Not too fused about losing Edwards. His worth diminished once he started his company, Ludonautics, which allows any team, that uses it, access to the same information that he uses, to evaluate players.
Very true. Was once going that way but hopefully no more.
Jealous of Jurgen being the figurehead of a multi club model ![]()
I’m not surprised by the news about Edwards - his contract situation and the reporting from a few months back about his dissatisfaction with FSG’s failure to commit to the multiclub model portended his departure.
But while I do not think losing Edwards himself is catastrophic, I do think the lack of stability we’ve had over the last five years is an indictment of FSG. Once Hughes is replaced, we will have had five SDs and three managers in the span of five years. And while there are mitigating circumstances with respect to each of these hires/departures, it doesn’t reflect well on FSG’s organizational structure to have major leaders coming and going with such regularity. That is without even considering the potential impact on this club’s recruitment, it’s ability to cultivate and
retain talent, and it’s long-term vision.
Yes, yes, the club is bigger than any one person. But the club isn’t some mythical entity - it is a product of the people who run it and support it. As we’ve seen with other clubs, no legacy is inherently secure. 15 years ago, this club was on the verge of going into administration because of terrible mismanagement. Obviously, the club is far from those dark days, which I credit to FSG and the people who they’ve empowered, including Gordon, Edwards, and (especially) Klopp.
But you don’t end up in the doldrums with one giant leap. It is a series of steps that lead you down that path, and before you know it, you’re wondering how things have become so bad. Look at Manchester United and how things began to fall apart once Fergie departed. Look at Spurs, who were all but relegated this past year. Look at what Chelsea has become - a club saddled with debt with an ownership group seemingly treating it as an investment rather than a football club. These things didn’t happen overnight or because of one decision or one departure. They happened because of a series of cascading decisions.
Are we in the midst of a post-Klopp cascade? Yes, we won a title a little more than a year ago. The club was arguably at its strongest position in recent memory. But now, the entire sporting leadership has been ripped apart, and we’re entering into a bit of an unknown period led by a new manager.
I just hope that this is merely a pivot in the right direction, rather than a sign of more problems to come. If FSG announce their intention to sell in a few months - which I would not be surprised by - I’ll really start to get nervous.
Heard there’s some ‘Head of Global Soccer’ job available soon
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Lol. Money for nothing. How did he support him? Been a right grift from Edwards this has.
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I don’t that’s really fair. He was persuaded back by FSG to establish a multi-club model. FSG turned their nose up at everything he brought them, and then pulled the plug on the whole project. What’s he supposed to do.
Regarding manager they made an error in Slot it takes a lot of courage to recognise that especially as he was a title winning manager. Woodfine now seems the obvious choice with Gordon back in his old role suits me. Both would be long term guys.
SD you have more of a point on.
No. They didn’t make a mistake on Slot. One title in two seasons is fantastic.
You don’t sack a title winning manager without giving him the full season. I don’t care what other supporters think, but that doesn’t reassure a good manager that Liverpool is the right place to be.
Maybe my ethos is different but I’m glad we are not like Chelsea or Real Madrid.
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Lol. Money for nothing. How did he support him? Been a right grift from Edwards this has.
I meant staying on to support Hughes. Since the Autumn there’s been one contract extended and one player signed from under Newcastle’s nose who had a buyout clause. Not great is it?
Of course they made an error on Slot. It was crystal clear by December that he had no idea to fix what was going wrong and was been shown as turdfest football. Then to double down all the time and feed the narrative he would be stopping only then to sack him makes them look amateurish.
If we win the league every 2 seasons because of an “error”, well, its not quite a bad error. Fans don’t understand the difference between an errant appointment vs an appointment that did not work out for the long term.