The Middle East Thread

Thank you for the considered response!

I was just offering a comment that had Israel been able to apply a tenet of their own religion, many thousands of deaths would have been spared.

I thought it was a reasonable, and ironic, observation.

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Thankfully Netanyahu, having thrown off the provision of the historic religion of Israel, for such a time as this, is now acting in a much more enlightened way? Er, ok.

No, but that group of GOP Senators, Bolton, and Graham is an utterly predictable collection.

As for the notion of the rule of law, it really doesnā€™t apply in an international context. Just look at all the nations that are condemning Israel but are utterly silent on Ukraine. Who you are matters more than what you do, to the relative benefit of both Israel and Russia.

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I thought we had given up on that project in the post-colonial era, with George Jr. and his cohort being the last vigorous exponents?

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Well correct. A hackneyed quote about international law, is the law which usually applies to a territory coincides with the bootstrap of the last soldiers that left the shores. Its all militaristic and actually the jurisprudence emanates from that.

Its a toothless, duplicitous and disgraceful system that States can purport to bind individuals by a rule of law, but then claim to not be bound by it themselves - as in be subject to an external governing body, not meaning their own courts. They all do it to varying degrees because they are drunk on sovereignty.

Its a radical idea. But unless we unpack this State based competitive world, we likely have a very troubling future for as long as they prevail. Most if not all trouble comes from the competition of nations.

COG wishes heā€™s as cynical about world politics that I am.

The point that Hamas is willing to sacrifice 30k+ of the Palestinian population towards this is insane.

Their disproportion is awful too.

This issue is huge and historic, and the current actors will not solve it.

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The problem (as well read and educated people will know) is that the OT calls for genocide and murder on a literally biblical scale. The boss started it with the flood. Apparently.

This whole thing about Israel and the US threatening the very people who seek to hold them accountable under international law is nothing new. After Operation Cast Lead (Gaza war 2008) , UNHRC commissioned a report into allegations of war crimes. It became known as The Goldstone Report , named after the South African judge who headed it up.

The report accused both Hamas and Israel of war crimes and deliberately targeting civilians. It urged that both sides should investigate their own actions or risk being investigated by the international criminal court.

Israelā€™s response was a furious one. Goldstone was immediately villified and came under immense pressure and lobbying. Israel going as far as to accuse him of a ā€œblood libelā€, a false accusation that had been used to demonise Jews in the past. It had the desired effect , Goldstone later came out and said that his report may have been inaccurate. This came following an internal investigation by the Israel military (lol) which concluded that civilians werenā€™t deliberately targetted.

It seems to me that they are hoping for a similar outcome this time by orchestrating a campaign against the prosecutor at the ICC , aided and abetted once again by its lickspittles in the US Congress.

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A little detour from Israel-Palestine and back to the other middle east classic - 9/11

Weā€™ve known for 20 years that several of the hijackers received support from clerics in DC and LA with very broad reach into their communities. However, there was previously only circumstantial evidence that those relationships was anything other than happenstanceā€¦Saudi kids arriving the US with no contacts and little english finding support within a local Saudi community. This piece argues there is now evidence that the clerics were central in bringing the kids to the US and did so through now documented involvement with Saudi intelligence agencies.

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This interesting as well. Dr Wood simply analyses empirical evidence from a science perspective, rather than rhetoric and supposition. There are some strange anomalies in the analysis of the aftermath. Unusual damage and signs of strange effects.

Isnā€™t that 20 years too late to write an article about ?

Itā€™s well known that people in Saudi establishment were linked to terrorist outfits. the Bin Ladin Group for instance.

The CIA helped setup Al-Qaeda btw. ISIS is a derivative of that. US has their share of blame too.

Israel has seized the equipment of Associated Press (AP) providing live feed from Gaza.

It was a monumental disaster by Hamas to do their attack on Israel then.

Israel could have had the chance to garner International sympathy by showing some restraint. I donā€™t mean to say that they shouldnā€™t have done retaliatory actions , but the fact that they used the excuse of Hamasā€™s brutalities to reply with nothing other than Genocide and Land Grabbing of their own hurt their standing in the international community more than anything else.

No winners at all in this pointless carnage though.

A term unfortunately now rendered as meaningless as anti-Semitism given how liberally it is thrown out against critics of Israel. It does of course speak to a real issue Jews have had to contend with and so its loss of value for Jews in being able to use it to point out anti-Semitic attitudes is precisely why so many Jews think entities like the ADL have become so bad for the people them, the people they claim to speak for.

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https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1792926099527086252

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Funny
https://x.com/SamriBackup/status/1792488655849742821

Is Causeur a popular/well-read magazine? Any idea?

I see the US are now threatening sanctions at the ICC. What a vulgar conflation of values.

But see what true power is, and is not the law or the right. Money gun and might rules, and will be no different even if we lose the US.

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