They looked like Palestinians and that means they were probably Hamas so we killed them
They were waving a white flag, but thats the sort of deceptive thing Hamas would do so we killed them
They were speaking hebrew, but you know those sneaky Hamas arseholes. So we killed them
Yeah, thatâs it. He took shelter in a building and an unit went there and shoot him.
Thatâs a different level of fucked up. To state the obvious, that unit wasnât taking prisoners.
Is that a war crime?
This conflict is in a weird status, sometimes referred to as a war, but sometimes not. Hamas combatants surrendering are arguably not Prisoners of War under the Convention. But they are still covered by Common Article 3, which would prohibit summary execution. It is difficult to imagine a scenario where an unarmed man with no hostile intent towards troops entering the building he was taking cover in would not attempt to surrender.
Everything about this conflict is war crime, because on both sides, the main targets (and victims) of these attacks are unarmed civilians. The Hamas reps and Netanyahou can talk as much as they want, but facts speak louder than words.
Fuck Netanyahu. I wouldnât be surprised if he and Sinwar is coordinating even now as the US and EU are playing dumbass.
Mistakes happen in war⌠but even still imagine claiming misidentifying the enemy, a shirtless pale ginger white guy holding a white flag.
I feel sorry for his family who also has another son abducted 
itâs shows the utter disregard for human life and that the hostages were meant to be pawns (abhorrent in itself) but the Hamas tactic didnât work because they thought the Israeli government would care about their people. They never really cared, only the opportunity hostages presented.
Here is another war crime, woman and children executed at a school
https://x.com/ajenglish/status/1734997619192016921?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw
No doubt future Hamas operatives and Hamas support staff
The problem I have with that is that there is actually no evidence in that report. Basically two people saying they saw something that would indeed be a war crime, and that is it. We donât know who those witnesses are, all we really know is the location. We already know that Hamas has manufactured reports for propaganda purposes, and al-Jazeera has been happy to circulate those.
When it goes to the Hague, witness testimony is often all there is (and all that is necessary) to convict of war crimes.
Al Jazeera is the propaganda wing of the Qataris. Anything reported by them needs to be backed up by reports from other news outlets (preferably ones more independent and less biased).
More propaganda ⌠from The Vatican this time.
Edit: The family of a British MP are in that compound. She has just been interviewed by the BBC and said that there is an Israeli sniper within the compound who shoots at anything that moves.
My initial reaction to this is that it cannot possibly be true , at least not in the way described by the witnesses. Such an event would draw comparisons to the worst of what Hamas did on Oct 7.
But it is already being widely reported across Arab countries as true even though Al-Jazeera is the sole source and nobody else has been able to independently verify it.
On the face of it , it reeks of propaganda , but in the light of the recent , and verified , reports of how the IDF killed their own hostages and executed a woman and her elderly mother in a Catholic church compound , it all adds to the impression of a fighting force either out of control , or under orders to kill anything that moves.
And if it does turn out to be true , then the moral high ground that had slowly been slipping beneath Israeli feet will suddenly become an avalanche.
Normally, the fundamental existence of a crime has to be established. Witness testimony can certainly establish guilt, and yes, in some instances when the account involves bodies being destroyed it can even serve to establish that the crime happened. In that report, the narrative presented did not match the evidence presented.
I have more of a problem believing this particular incident than the killing of their own hostages, even the apparent execution of the third hostage who must have been trying to surrender. Telling soldiers to fire on sight is plausible, and some will do it. But even at that step, there are already a lot who wonât in most armies. The incident with the third hostage makes it fairly clear that the IDFâs rules of engagement are at the very least not taking any risks in order to minimize civilian casualties. I still havenât seen details on how the 3rd hostage died, but he would have been under cover, unarmed. By definition whoever killed (shot or grenade) would have used that force without knowing whether or not he was a combatant. Similarly, the sniper who shoots everything that moves is presumably following rules of engagement that say Hamas until proven otherwise. But face to face executions are somewhat different prospect.
The entire foundation of modern infantry firearms training is trying to break down the fact left to their own devices, many soldiers arenât going to shoot people - even in combat. Executions of the type described in that report are simply beyond the capability of most soldiers. In Yugoslavia, even in the most murderous units, a relatively small number of people actually committed the up-close-and-personal atrocities. It is a lot easier to get someone to kill someone they cannot see well who might be a threat than a straight-up execution.
Thatâs why you dehumanise the enemy in order for get people to act in a way that stops them from feeling compassion.
Thatâs the danger of calling the other side vermin, monsters, sub humans. That enables atrocities to occur. Itâs much easier to murder someone if you donât think of them as a person.
We are approaching 20,000 dead most civilians. Large number of journalists and UN workers seemingly actively targeted. Large number of children. Even with conservative estimates. We like to think that we are better than of forefathers. Be it Japan , Germany or Russia etc I donât thing we are.
Whilst it might be propaganda there are multiple reports that indicate similar things are happening
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Geneva - The Israeli army has turned schools sheltering tens of thousands of displaced people into military centres and field execution sites as part of its ongoing genocide in the Gaza Strip, which began on 7 October, Euro-MedHuman Rights Monitor said on Wednesday.
Euro-Med Monitor received testimonies about Israeli army forces carrying out unjustified field executions and killings of Palestinian civilians after detaining them for days inside the same schools where they had sought refuge from the violence.
The testimonies reveal horrific human rights violations and atrocities against civilians killed after their release. The timing of the murders indicates that there was no reason to shoot them, other than to satisfy the bloody desires of Israeli soldiers or express the comprehensive moral permissibilityâin the eyes of Israelâs militaryâwhen it comes to slaughtering and humiliating Palestinian civilians.
Around 15 dead Palestiniansâ decomposed bodies were found in Al-Falujah neighbourhood, west of the Jabalia camp. Based upon its initial investigation, Euro-Med Monitor confirmed that the individuals were subjected to field executions while being questioned by members of the Israeli army at the Shadia Abu Ghazaleh government school.
The bodies were discovered following the Israeli armyâs withdrawal from the surrounding area of the school, following several days of abuses and violations against displaced people evacuating there.
âWe were shocked to discover 15 bodies after the Israeli forces left the school,â Muhammad Jalal, 37, told the Euro-Med Monitor team. âIt was obvious that they were directly shot, and some of them had their bodies disintegrated due to the heavy gunfire.â
Along the same line, displaced people at the Salah al-Din School in Gaza City affirmed that they were subjected to heavy gunfire three days ago, after the Israeli army stormed the school amid heavy and random gunfire, which led to the deaths of about 50 people.
One of the displaced people, who asked to remain anonymous, said that after Israeli forces separated the women and children from the men, they forced them to take off their clothes and subjected them to rough interrogations before forcing them to leave the school at gunpoint.
As the displaced people moved toward the Gaza Valley, he continued, the Israeli forces opened their machine gun fire at them, leaving five dead and several others injured.
The same incidents that were reported at the Salah al-Din school also occurred at the nearby Al-Maâumaniyah and Al-Mukadssa Family schools in the same area, according to Euro-Med Monitor.
Field observations and eyewitness accounts indicate that Israeli forces stormed the Al-Mukadssa Family School, arrested the males, mistreated them, set some of them free, and severely tortured others.
Three days later, members of the Israeli military released more detained Palestinians before firing upon them without justification, killing two individuals: Abdel Nasser Khader Haboub, an engineer, and Dr. Ahmed Hamdi Abu Absa, adean at the University of Palestine.
Additionally, according to Euro-Med Monitor, a direct Israeli artillery shelling of the UNRWA-run Abu Hussein School in the Jabalia refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip resulted in the deaths of 20 Palestinians and the wounding of numerous others, some of whom were critically injured.
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In that, the international community was also wrong. It thought, âWe have Ukraine, climate change, China and the Pacific Rim, so we thought this could be put on the back burner.â
âNow the atmosphere is like August 1914 or the Cuban missile crisis. It is now clear there is no walking away and we cannot do this on the cheap.â
Thatâs hammer on the nail.
