The Middle East Thread

No-one will be able to say in the future that he or she didn’t know…

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  1. Deliberate and indiscriminate bombing :white_check_mark:
  2. Starvation as a weapon of war :white_check_mark:
  3. Creating conditions for lack of drinking water :white_check_mark:
  4. Creating conditions for festering of diseases :white_check_mark:
  5. Bombing hospitals when 60000 are injured :white_check_mark:
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Yeah, we are now in the territory of genocide. Netanyahou has shown his hand, nobody is able nor willing to stop him, and we haven’t even seen the worst yet. It’s fucking depressing.

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No one is willing to go against USA in this regard. Russia’s preoccupied with Ukraine , China won’t interfere in these matters anyway and the rest of the countries aren’t influential enough to really matter.

Also it’s damning that the Arab countries aren’t coming forth more openly. Damning for the Palestinian cause as well. The Palestinians now know that they can’t count on any Arab support for their cause.

The Iranians might support but it’s not really worth anything too much (beyond them supporting hezbollah , Hamas and other terrorist entities) which more often than not only serve to hinder the Palestinian causes than help.

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‘It falls short of Israel’s professed goal of outright crushing Hamas and would appear not to meet Israel’s insistence on keeping military control over Gaza for an extended period after the war.’

Israeli analysts are already describing it as a non-starter.

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If Israel is traumatised, what are the psychological effects of their actions on the Palestinians?

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Yeah. Egypt going on about a quid pro quo at this stage isn’t going to make Israel accept anything when they do not need to.

For example , freeing of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages. Israel at this point has assumed that the remaining hostages can’t be retrieved.

I do feel that any potential solution would have to ensure that the Hamas’s military/Terrorist groups and related groups disband and surrender their arms etc. Hamas leadership not being made accountable for their crimes doesn’t sit right with me.

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An even deeper hatred and thirst for retribution probably. Exactly what Hamas wants.

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Some very good analysis here on the wider geopolitical fallout from the Israeli response in Gaza and the stretching of credulity at the US support for it.

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I think most Palestinians have already been there for quite some time, though perhaps fewer in the West Bank. Recall the joyous crowd scenes from Gaza on October 7, as bodies were paraded through the streets. I suppose it is always possible to hate even more.

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Israel are currently on course to eliminate 2.2 million people. If everything continues as it goes right now, there won’t be anyone left to feel hatred or any other emotion.

Right, and same goes for Netanyahou and his government. Retire from power, and organise fair and open elections. Without that , there will never be any chance of peace. Then, bring the war criminals on both sides in front of the Hague court, and judge them as they deserve.

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The astonishing point for me is that 40% of that population is under the age of 14

Yeah, that is stunning indeed.

Any idea why that is so ?

That is not an unusual demographic for the developing world. The West Bank is not dissimilar. Gaza has one of the highest fertility rates in the world.

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I noted the demographics as a counterpoint to the Netanyahu minister who said recently ‘there are no innocents in Gaza’, or similar. I understand the rage at October 7, and Israeli observers would have noted the children cheering as naked, mutilated bodies were being paraded in the aftermath. But they are children, and many of them very young children.

At this point I think it’s time to retire this term as it pertains to Hamas. They are fighting a colonist forced occupier in their land. They haven’t got the capacity to form an army and conduct conventional warfare so they fight however they can. The correct term would be the Palestinian resistance.

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