Indeed but then also there is surely no clear demarcation between terrorists and ordinary Gazans either. The middle cross over point will be very fluid, I expect changeable, I expect also there is disagreement about how to address the problem. I hope some Palestinians are railing at Hamas for what they have brought on them all.
The acknowledgment of crimes is a huge problem for either side. I don’t see many Palestinian supporters acknowledging the gravity of Sat. What about it being launched on the anniversary of an earlier attack? That aspect of it has mostly gone unacknowledged.
We’re left here upset, offended, worried for the world and the solution really scares me, because I think, now after Sat, but also maybe after Israel’s foray into the West Bank in the spring - any chance of peace is totally gone for the near future.
Possibly but the attack was unconventional as well, it used paraglides which don’t trigger radar. I would guess there are many a warning from other agencies to other States we never get to hear about and which don’t follow on the warning. The public love to sensationalise and its prob a mistake because of the means used. Surely Israel would at least wait for a clear sign of actual intent? I think it was too fast and too close to the border.
For what it is worth I’m not offended by his characterisation of my post. I think we all know that nothing I said can honestly be described as filth but emotions on this topic run extremely high.
As a non-Jewish, non-Muslim man who is also not related to the conflict by anything other than devastation for innocent lives and an extension of my previous academic studies in genocide then I think I’ll choose to not be offended by the reaction of those who have more concrete connections to the region and conflict. It’s just not my place really.
Suggested that after and people said was engaging in conspiracy theory. Anytime Bibi is vulnerable he starts a war. It’s not a stretch to say he let it happen, but was surprised and unprepared for the scale of the attack
The World Trade Center was an open target. There were numerous ways of accessing and targeting it. Gaza was a prison and there were only a handful of ways to break out of it and carry out an attack of that magnitude.
Not saying that Israel let the attack happen. But they might have had the audacity to think they are untouchable.
I think the latter part is the most accurate. There are reports that Israeli intelligence sent an alert to the military along the Gazan border, but it simply wasn’t acted upon - possibly in part because the Israeli forces that were on alert were anticipating something at a very different scale.
It really does originate around 650AD, and its by a Persian attack from the east which is sustained for 3years until Jerusalem was sacked. People often then say well the Israelis took the land by force but this is not clear, and the previous tenants were the Canaanites who most historians agree were already splintered and in demise.
I had a slightly awkward conversation today with someone I manage. The person in question is from Lebanon and was clearly very emotional regarding the situation and how the current flare up is affecting people on the ground back home and how this was being portrayed in the West. She was also in a rather “hopelessness of life” mood in general. I obviously lurched, haplessly, to convey a broader view of the world and time - where generally there has been an improvement for the masses - we are better now across most matrices than ever before in human history. The idea being that things are not completely hopeless. Of course this was horribly crass and hollow in the face of someone “living” through it… hence rather awkward.
Eventually, and much to my relief, we moved onto discussing work for the remaining 30 minutes of our meeting…
However I stick by it, we are better off now than we have been - ever. Ironically, nothing lasts for ever - not even this conflict that seem to know no end.
I’ve told myself that all my life. Hung onto MLK’s words that ‘the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.’
I’m not convinced anymore. Extreme right parties taking control across the world. Climate breakdown. Potential for the worst Middle East conflict in decades. Media and social media saturated with misinformation.
As much as they would like to see themselves on the side of the righteous, anyone advocating for the type of response Netanyahu is clearly winding up for is no better than those murderers slaughtering young adults at a music festival.
I just listened to a fascinating interview with a guy who claims that even Hamas were surprised at the “success” of their operation. They were planning on meeting much greater levels of opposition and didn’t really have a plan for what to do in the event that didn’t come. Phrasing the next part is difficult without it seeming to mitigate blame against the Hamas fighters, because that certainly is not the intention, but what comes out that line of thinking is that at least a part of the savagery came from men all hopped up ready for a fight and when that didnt materialize they just exploded on whomever they could find.
I would not view this as evidence of the conspiracy though. As Sweeting said, we saw something similar with the 9/11 attacks where people with their focus elsewhere, and arguably were just not good at their jobs, were too dismissive and lacking in imagination to respond properly to what turned out to be quality intelligence. Factor in that Bibi’s own critics were accusing him of leaving them vulnerable to attack and this is not only not surprising, but what his critics in the government were warning of.
