But no future, sadly.
Yes
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Perhaps another sign of an expanding conflict. Coming ahead also of elections in Jordan where a close eye will be kept on the performance of the Islamist opposition to see whether popular protest against the war in Gaza translates to political gains for those who support violent opposition to Israel.
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It just struck me that in a few days it will a year since the Genocide begun.
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I appreciate that he is a well respected Scholar and was nominated for the Nobel peace prize but to suggest that Israel being more genocidal than the Naziâs, who actively killed millions of Jews is⌠well ridiculous.
I 100% do not condone what is happening in Gaza, I believe the US/Europe/UK should be actively stopping all weapons transfers, taking of land. And be putting more pressure on Israel, for an immediate ceasefire and peace negotiations.
In my opinion, and it is only my opinion. The interview you have linked is the type of mis-information that antagonises the situation. For example, watching the video it took him 9 days in one country, not two as the X post suggests, for him to come to his conclusionsâŚ.which are subjective and without facts.
As humans, across history we are all guilty of believing what we have been told, lead to believe. Unfortunately, with Social Media, it is a damn lot quicker and with a wider audience to capture.
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The Burmese scholar would be better served seeing the genocide in Myanmar
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While I am not making any judgements on the validity of the comparison, I would like to point out that the active murder youâre talking about (a) took place over a 3-year-period, (b) came 3-4 years after the nationwide pogrom, itself many years after the initial restriction of freedoms for Jews.
Itâs counterproductive calling Israelâs occupation of Gaza a genocide.
Especially when the Jewish Holocaust involved more than a million Jews dead.
There needs to be international pressure on Israel (including the stopping of arms being supplied/ sanctions / cases in the ICJ / cessation of trade including oil) to stop Israel from carrying out their war crimes.
But to use the term genocide simply allows the Israeli viewpoint an easy way to gain the upper hand in the narrative.
Israel will say that there were around 30k casualties in the ongoing Gaza war. Which is over a year now.
The difference in the scale between the holocaust and whatâs happening here makes the comparision counterproductive. Israel can simply take the control of the narrative especially when the term genocide is used.
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Well, about 6 million.
I think comparing genocides is not entirely useful as the circumstances are never the same. Reference to the Genocide Convention is more pertinent as that is what the countries have signed up for.
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But a supposed scholar saying âmore than what the Nazis didâ
Well Josef Mengele , Auschwitz duh. Even a layperson like me would have read about that.
If I can pick points at his argument , whoâs to say that more knowledgeable persons than me with a vested Israeli interest wonât ?
I think with a population of <5.5m, if you want to compare by deaths, exterminating the entire Palestine wouldnât exceed what the Nazis did. I did not watch the video, I have no interest in comparing the genocides, nor was I making any claim as to the validity of any comparison.
I am merely pointing out that the Holocaust was years in the making. To reject the claim outright would be rather hubristic.
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The conditions in Gaza w.r.t the Israeli occupation and the prison conditions are years in the making too.
Iâm not rejecting his claim outright. Iâm saying claims like the ones the Burmese scholar made are counterproductive. He could have not gotten the terms genocide into the picture. Heâs gotten those terms into the discussion by the needless comparision with the Nazi atrocities.
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The US Holocaust Memorialsâ own defenition of genocide is
the Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:
- Killing members of the group
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
So if what Israel is doing in Gaza isnât genocide, then what is it?
Remember this goes beyond October 7th and the Israeli response, this has been going on since 1948 when the UN and Britan forcebily stole land from Palestine to create the state of Israel.
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@redalways @Sithbare you both make valid points. In then end, we all want the same outcome. As referenced by @redalways itâs irrelevant comparing genocides, especially as a world we still havenât learnt from them. But that was my issue with the interview link.
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Thatâs without even touching whatâs going on in the West Bank.
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All Iâm saying is that it should be possible to call out Israeli atrocities without referencing the holocaust and the related Nazi atrocities.
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At the same time, why is it irrelevant?