The Middle East Thread

Since when? By who? Certainly not to my memory or knowledge abd I’ve lived in the US as well as being from the UK. It’s just that since Netenyahu took over and post-9/11 the right wing tilt of almost all western countries have colluded with Israel and now without any international checks and balances (Russia has no leg to stand on) the Usraeli government can operate with impunity.

Im confused by your post and dont get what exactly you are disagreeing with. I can imagine someone disagreeing with the effects of it, but I would be shocked to find someone disagreeing with the characterization of Israel having staunch, even reflex and unquestioning, support from the mainstream

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984

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Sorry @Limiescouse I was near sleep and rambling

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A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

“I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians,” Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of “brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population”.

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Tell me how can this be right? Over 1000 killed trying to collect FOOD TO SURVIVE in this new system? It’s worse than Squid Games!

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According to this article, the most part of two million people + are now crammed into 17% of Gaza’s territory… the density is unimaginable. It’s near to the density of a concentration camp, but without any kind of organisation.

Hell on earth.

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Torturers and sadistic murderers of innocents. Remind you of someone?

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would love to hear Holocaust survivors opinions on whats happening in the Gaza Strip

Many have already come out and called it out as a genocide. Both people from outside of Israel, and from within. But that won’t stop Netanyahou and his gang of criminals. In fact, nothing will, but stopping all arms business with them. But I’m not holding my breath, as it’s the US who need to stop this.

Germany though might be on the brink of changing their shameful behaviour, and hopefully the penny will drop for other European countries to finally do what should have been done since at least a year or two: stopping any business with Israel which reinforces their military operations, both in Gaza and the West Bank. It’s really no rocket science, but what do they need to finally act? A million casualties? Two?

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A number of international and Palestinian groups have already described the war as genocidal, but reports from two of Israel-Palestine’s most respected human rights organisations, who have for decades documented systemic abuses, is likely to add to pressure for action.

The reports detailed crimes including the killing of tens of thousands of women, children and elderly people, mass forced displacement and starvation, and the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure that have deprived Palestinians of healthcare, education and other basic rights.

“What we see is a clear, intentional attack on civilians in order to destroy a group,” said Yuli Novak, the director of B’Tselem, calling for urgent action. “I think every human being has to ask himself: what do you do in the face of genocide?”

It is vital to recognise that a genocide is under way even without a ruling in the case before the international court of justice, she said. “Genocide is not just a legal crime. It’s a social and political phenomenon.”

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According to various sources, thousands of people, especially children, will die in the next days if Israel doesn’t allow a maximum of food into Gaza right now.

One of these sources:

"In the coming days, thousands of Gaza’s children will either be rescued or allowed to die,” warns David Miliband, the former foreign secretary and now president of the International Rescue Committee.

“That’s the choice before us.”

Under mounting pressure over a spiralling hunger crisis, Israel says it’s paused military operations in parts of Gaza for 10 hours a day for the past two days.

It’s also allowed international airdrops of food, but aid agencies say the new measures aren’t enough.

They’re calling on Israel to open all border crossings for their convoys and alternative routes for them to travel on.

They say this will help stop lorries being looted by desperate people and allow large quantities of aid to be delivered in a fair and dignified way.

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None of the lipservice by countries really matters when they continue to fund Israel.

At this point , they might as well come out in the open and say that they support what Israel is doing.

It’s not just the European countries. It’s even the gulf countries like SA etc etc.

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The collapse of American soft power is happening remarkably quickly. There is no way most of these countries would be moving to recognize Palestinian statehood under a Biden administration or the like, but now that US policy is entirely transactional that is no longer a consideration. Netanyahu has traded near-term carte-blanche for an unprecedented level of diplomatic isolation. Just three years ago, for Canada diplomatic recognition of Palestine was an electric third rail sort of issue.

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British lawyers warn that recognising Palestinian state would break international awpublished at 07:48

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Henry Zeffman
Chief political correspondent

Some of Britain’s most distinguished lawyers have warned the UK government that recognising a Palestinian state would breach international law.

In a letter to Lord Hermer, the attorney general, a group of 40 members of the House of Lords, many of them lawyers, write that proceeding with recognition would be “contrary to international law” because important criteria have not been met.

The BBC has not been able to obtain a full list of signatories, but according to The Times they include the prominent barrister Lord Pannick KC, the former Supreme Court judge Lord Collins of Mapesbury, the former justice minister Lord Faulks KC, and Lord Shamash, the Labour Party’s solicitor since 1990.

Part of the letter says: "Palestine does not meet the international law criteria for recognition of a state, namely, defined territory, a permanent population, an effective government and the capacity to enter into relations with other states.

“This is set out in the Montevideo Convention, has become part of customary law, and it would be unwise to depart from it at a time when international law is seen as fragile or, indeed, at any time.”

So a giant fucking wall used to lock people into a certain area doesn’t define territory? :man_shrugging:

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Before the current carnage and invasion, Gaza was probably the best defined Palestinian territory. In the nineties, there was also a relatively clear defined Palestinian territory in the West Bank, but since then, Netanyahou and gang have done everything to make this territory look like a cloth devastated by an army of moths.

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