No doubt this happens, and happens everywhere in the world (USA? All throughout Africa, and assuming it happens in epic proportions in communist countries or dictatorships), and should not be condoned or celebrated.
There is a ridiculously enormous difference between a peaceful protest, a riot, a music festival and essentially a war zone. You donât expect any premeditated deaths in two of those situations, while one has increasingly higher odds of innocent deaths, and one has a near guaranteed of innocents dying.
I was thinking about this yesterday to see if I could get any semblance of a comparison to the innocents dying, and the best I could come up with is a serial killer/psychopath murdering someone, vs a parent/caregiver leaving a child unattended in a bath. 2 deaths, one ends up traumatizing someone for life while the other searches for the next victim.
I donât have access to the fb stuff so canât offer my thoughts on that.
I dont know the area very well, I assume there is one part (evacuation area) that has a lot of hamas activity so is most likely run down and poor, due to the intermingling of weapons (rockets) and civilians. Wealthier people would not want to live there, so I assume the more beautiful and wealth areas (comparatively) of Gaza is west of that (closer to Egypt).
I expect that the idf will essentially selectively (when possible) destroy the evacuation zone in order to demolish buildings that are linked to tunnels and/or rocket platform, etc. I donât think there is another solution from a military pov. Sad that people that are there who want to live peacefully and yet donât have the means to disentangle themselves from militants, who in turn dont want them to leave.
I donât think Israeli forces will particularly spare the rich neighborhoods (given that a lot of Hamas bigwigs have their residences there).
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And for comparisonâs sake, the Israel terrorist attack have ridiculously enormous differences to âunprovokedâ (some are more unprovoked than others) terrorist attacks, like 9/11, the London Bombings, Berlin Truck Massacre, Madrid bombings, Paris attacks etc.
Whether Israel supporters are able to admit it, Israel has been part of a 75 year ongoing conflict in which theyâve absolutely done their part to ensure the conflict continues.
Itâs stretching the truth quite a way to suggest the terrorist attack on Israel was a peacetime attack. The attack didnât come out of nowhere. The attack occurred right on the border of a region Israel has been blockading since 2007.
How much do the continuous terrorist attacks in Pakistan make the news these days? Theyâve had, what, 10 terrorist attacks this year? It never makes the news because itâs an unstable region of the world.
Like it or not, thatâs actually how I see the Isreal-Palestine region. Itâs unstable, and there regularly are large numbers of innocents dying. Itâs hard to be shocked any more by what happens there. Just a whole heap of nastiness on both sides, who are quarrelling over a bit of desert.
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Agree. I donât know how many attacks Pakistan has come under this year though. Much more than 10 I guess for sure but those never make the news.
And the other bit I wanted to say is that the correlation between the govt and the terrorist activities w.r.t Israel and Pakistan. Pakistan is paying the price of terrorism due to its past activities and policies , and in a way , this is what Israel has been doing to , having ridiculous policies and inviting terror attacks.
Now obviously Israel is far from a near failed state that Pakistan is but the point I wished to make is that both the countries in their own way have encouraged terrorist activites. Pakistan did so against India , Israel(or Bibi) encouraged Hamas in order to defeat the two nation theory⌠Both are now paying the price.
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Thatâs the âprizeâ they reap for their past misdeeds.
The cause and the effect.
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Always been the case. Worldwide.
Bad decision-making, suffer bad consequences.
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I think maybe Iâm misunderstanding you, surely you donât think the attack from Hamas was a justifiable target in any form? Regardless of how you have been treated. Iâm not talking historically, Iâm talking about the horrors this past week.
What I am saying is that the attacks on Hamas are justifiable targets, and that itâs extremely unfair and unfortunate that there are innocent individuals intertwined with Hamas combatants, some willingly and some unwillingly.
I really donât understand the point of that video. Horrible things happening, I agree, horrible things happened a week ago. I just donât know what Israel is supposed to do in order to satisfy some of you? And I am truly sorry if I am misrepresenting you thoughts, but to me it seems to me that you and others here clearly think that they should have immediately turned the cheek after the attack, and gone straight to the negotiating table.
I donât think thatâs feasible. There will be blood thatâs demanded by the Israelis and retribution against Hamas is expected.
But people are apprehensive as to the scale of destruction that Israel would leave w.r.t the civilians. The prospect of 300k Palestinians dying is very real and anything even a 5th of that number is disproportionate response
Really ? The BBC engages in âfake newsâ now for propaganda purposes ?
ffs mate
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So they have been missile (target) attacks in this area or is this something you think will happen? I personally think they will stop in the evacuation zone as I donât think there are a significant amount of weapons and infrastructure in these area. As you say there are some target there but I donât think itâs a situation where an entire section will be needed to be destroyed. As I said, donât know the area, just thinking from a logical perspective. Maybe Iâm wrong and there is significant Hamas infrastructure in that part.
The only logic Israel would follow in this is scorched earth.
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Seriously, I though I was quite obviously being clearly sarcastic, as the tone here is that the idf is indiscriminately killing anyone.
I really dont think so (entire gaza area). I do think it will be scorched earth in some areas and I donât know what the alternative is.
Israel would go to the discussion table. Maybe a month later when theyâve reduced Gaza to rubble.
That would be what everyone expects them to do. Even the countries who would normally call for discussions would only press the issue once the initial bloodlust of the Israeli Govt (and their supporters) is sated. Hamas knows what they were getting themselves into and are confident enough they can hide in those tunnels till this happens while the Palestinians pay the price.
Thereâs clearly no easy solution to this.
I think the response they are looking for is the near destruction of Hamas, and I donât it will be accomplished or help in the long term, maybe decrease attackâs significantly for a couple of decades. I donât think it will get to a 5th of that number. And it will be a lot more that the Israeli deaths, and as I have stated I believe thatâs because of the human shielding and some collateral (which there always is in this type of warfare.
Hamas will always use human shielding etc. They wonât lose the opportunity to portray themselves as the victims even if they arenât.
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