The Middle East Thread

I agree.

It’s just that I fear that both the sides have been pushed away far too much to allow a constructive dialogue to happen now.

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I think we were all expecting a huge land air and sea offensive sooner rather than later. Whoever bombed this hospital has either very cleverly or inadvertently delayed comparatively massive carnage and loss of life. I stress the word comparatively.

They have a duty of care to protect all civilians on both sides.Instead they are knowingly murdering Palestinians in order to seek retribution for what Hamas have done so that they don’t do it again.All they are doing is increasing the liklihood that it will happen again.

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And on the other half

There are people like this

Who the fuck made him a professor ?

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I’m surprised how much credibility is given to Hamas as to how well-organised they are. Are they generally taken to be particularly well-organised?

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was simply a horrific accident, or they might have had a truck of ordnance passing by that happened to get hit. At this stage I think all options are on the table for me.

Sorry, what? That comment is not only arrogant but completely disrespectful. Dare you say indeed. So basically the one sidedness of the thread is because of a greater benevolent knowledge and compassion of the one side and the ignorant gullibility of the other.

Fuck me.

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Terrorist organizations work best when the executive parts are decentralised.

It’s always been the case with Al qaida , ISIS and I don’t think it has particularly changed.

I genuinely don’t understand how no one sees that an option is simply to keep enabling and enriching the Palestinian people, such that they have no need for nationalist parties or terrorist organisations.

Give the Palestinian people a share, and most importantly, a stake in Israeli prosperity, and they have a vested interest in the survival of the Israeli state. Oppress them… And well you get this state.

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I can only hope you’re right.

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Why is that surprising? A lot of people have really good domain knowledge, but are completely useless at functioning at other things. I doubt his politics were that significant a factor in his appointment.

Probably the same person who’s just about to fire him.

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Professor of History. Politics becomes a known factor there especially when he’s addressing this to a crowd going in for the anti-semitic “from the river to the sea” quote.

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Yep. I’m out. Pure arrogance.

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I’m reaching that point as well.

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No , the apparent one-sidedness is a reflection of the greater number of posters with a better understanding of the conflict.

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Understanding in who’s opinion? Yours? Sorry but neither you or anyone on here has the undisputed right to say they have a better understanding on the situation. We’re all outside observers, some closer and some not so much, but you have no factual idea of the knowledge possessed by people on here other than their opinion differs to yours which is in no way an indication of a better understanding or otherwise as the case may be.

Like I said in another post earlier, I have read through this entire thread before and there is nothing to change my mind about the nature of it and the narrative that runs through it. As a mixed race non-religious South African man that has lived under apartheid during my formative years with no links to either side, I can confidently state my lack of in built bias and draw my conclusions from countless years of reading, amateur research of history and trawling through information outlets out there. I cannot say the same for that lack of bias on display by many on here.

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A terrorist group murdered 1400 innocent Isreali civilians,injuring 3000 others.
Because those terrorists are hiding amongst the civilians in Gaza,the Isreali government have now murdered 3000 innocent Palestinians,injured 12000 others.

They are doing this to exact revenge on the Palestinian people for something they did not do.This is not how a legitimate government should conduct itself.

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In an interview on CNN, the IDF spokesman said it was a rocket fired by Islamic Jihad that misfired, hit the hospital and the severity of the explosion was due to the rocket being full of fuel. They also showed a screen-grab from Al-Jazeera which they claim shows the moment of explosion. I must admit the explosion does look like what I see in firework displays here where the fireworks are on a boat in a harbour. Consequently the eruption has a horizontal base and goes from the ground up, as opposed to looking like the impact of a rocket.

Be it Islamic Jihad or Hammas, it does seem that this was one explosion in Gaza that the IDF was not responsible for. I had to laugh at the IDF spokesman though when he asked imploringly why the whole world was so quick to believe Hammas and blame Israel for the explosion at the hospital. Well, maybe it just might be something to do with the hundreds of missiles and bombs that rained down on Gaza in the past week.

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Also, having a high academic qualification/talent is no guarantee for having ethics/integrity.

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