The Middle East Thread

If they had done it as a simple humanitarian memorial I don’t think they would have been an issue. As some of the other posters pointed out, his Twitter timeline does seem to be politically motivated.

This doesn’t factor in as to how many people have injuries they might not live through.

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if they had removed the “Israeli” word from the banner and made it politically neutral… probably would have been allowed. it’s a volatile subject and it’s not anti-semitic to not allow that content.

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Or all the “missing” that’ll never turn up.

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Specially considering the fact that the hospitals in Gaza are barely functioning. :sob:

This is a very dark thought, but I think the welfare of the hostages were never in the agenda of Israel. It’s been over two weeks and Israel still don’t have the exact number of people taken hostage.

I think it’s the US/EU who have concern for the hostages, probably due to many of them being foreign/dual nationals. :pray: :palms_up_together:

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Dark but fair considering:

I dont think it’s controversial at all to say that given all the signals the safe return of the hostages was way down on the priorty list compared to fucking Hamas

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Not in West Bank. Even 15 years ago everyone I met there said 2 state solution was impossible and they wanted to live in one state with peace and equal rights

Netanyahu’s getting loads of grief over it though in Israel. Once it becomes a personal political consideration for him it might still have the potential to change the course of events.

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The two-state solution, specially the Oslo Accord, was bound to fail. There was never any hope for Arabs to have equal rights within Israel.

I have read Hamas/Hezbollah narrative that Arab rights can only be achieved through armed struggle and every time they would reference the West Bank for justification. Israel felt that they can colonize the West Bank in the same way they colonized the Golan Heights. But Golan Heights had a population of just 150k as opposed to three million Palestinians in the West Bank.

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I wrote Gaza. The West Bank is an entirely different affair indeed.

And they are right imo. A two-state solution seems impossible.

From the bbc website today:

Six more United Nations staff have been killed in Gaza, according to the UN agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA).

It brings the total number of UNRWA workers killed in Gaza since the conflict began to 35.

“We mourn their loss and stand with colleagues doing all they can to assist those in need,” UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres tweeted on Monday night.

Just more ‘collateral damage’ as far as the IDF are concerned. If they knew that there was one Hamas commander sheltering in a building with 100 civilians they wouldn’t hesitate to level it.

Those UNRWA workers are heroes , each and every one of them.

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I am afraid that the Israelis have not thought of the UNRWA as in any way neutral for a long time now. They are overwhelmingly locally engaged staff, and they work closely (inevitably) with local authorities, which is in this case is Hamas. At best, they are just more civilians in the way.

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Still collateral damage.

The foreign workers of UN if there were any I expect would have been evacuated a while ago.

I am reduced to grasping at straws for tiny little acts of humanity because otherwise, everything is all bleak here.

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No, unfortunately not. As with many NGOs, there are foreign UN staff caught in Gaza, though I assume not as many as a week ago.

Collateral damage.

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At least one influential voice coming out of the US is using some common sense:

https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-israel-and-gaza-a6c397f09a30

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Still, the world is watching closely as events in the region unfold, and any Israeli military strategy that ignores the human costs could ultimately backfire. Already, thousands of Palestinians have been killed in the bombing of Gaza, many of them children. Hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes. The Israeli government’s decision to cut off food, water and electricity to a captive civilian population threatens not only to worsen a growing humanitarian crisis; it could further harden Palestinian attitudes for generations, erode global support for Israel, play into the hands of Israel’s enemies, and undermine long term efforts to achieve peace and stability in the region.

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Which emphasizes the point that has been made several times over - arguing Israel’s moral superiority on the basis that at least Israel doesn’t “target civilians” is completely empty.

We dont target civilians, and so if this person died in one of our raids they therefore could not have been a civilian. It was their choice and our hand was forced.

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