Then they’d be like every other country in the region with a poor, disenfranchised population ruled by a corrupt and uncaring elite
At least it would be their own elite though.
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Exactly. The world needs to press for a solution for the Palestinians where they are free of the scum that rule them as well. I doubt a two state solution would leave the Palestinians free from those.
It’s all good asking Israel for a cease fire or to end hostilities. But at this point , all that it’s doing is pushing the inevitable conflict further. Hamas will still continue to pump rockets out , Israel will continue dealing retaliations. The situation won’t change because Hamas and Israel don’t want it to change. Sooner or later , they’ll be one more incident which will have the same outcomes.
What the world really needs to do is ensure a solution , a one state or a two state solution where the extremists on both sides are negated. A one state solution might work better but then the voting demographics and the changes etc would leave Israel very jittery to accept that.
But a solution where Palestinians have a fixed %age of enough voting rights(which would satisfy Israel as well) that would need a coalition for a government to be formed might ensure that the centrists and reason prevail in this madness
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Hamas exists because of Israel. How it has evolved is a seperate discussion at this moment.
Its leaders may well be exploiting their own people, corruption isn’t confined to governments and businesses. Its rife amongst rebel organisations as well…absolute power and all that.
But surely that’s now a sideshow to what is happening in Gaza. The why’s don’t matter when children are being slaughtered.
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It’s high time US-EU stops hobnobbing with Abbas. There are over eight million Palestine in Gaza, West Bank, and in the refugee camps in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. There are many more living abroad. There got to be a dozen people who are competent and are credible among the Palestine to form an interim government.
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to be honest, this is all that matters right now.
we are getting bogged down with what comes after, trying to figure out the best possible solutions ‘going forward’.
lets stop the senseless killing…return the civilian hostages…then discuss medium term objectives.
its basically that simple.
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this.
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Sure. I agree.
But if/when there is a temporary cease in hostilities , If the powers that be do not use this chance to get both parties to the table. These mindless attacks from both sides will resume soon.
That will be a huge chance missed if that isn’t ensured.
Thanks man. I remember her, but couldn’t remember the name.
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what a sorry excuse for a sand waste that shite hole is.
hear. hear. And in the interim, Israel needs to be brought to heel or ultimately innocent jews elsewhere will suffer consequences
Puke…
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No, no, I’m talking about the latest installment. It was sanctioned probably last Friday.
Yeah. But Qatar is playing a big part there.
- Shelters Hamas Leadership
- Money to Hamas flows through from there
- Al Jazeera (despite their good articles and there are quite a few) is their owned media house and runs the media campaign against Israel well.
- Has corrupt western entities and Governments bending over backwards to accomodate them
For such a small country which is even considered a pariah among other Arab nations , qatar punches way above their actual strength in terms of foreign policy. It’s infact richer than the UAE economically as well
Not to mention it’s the defacto middleman between the Israelis and Hamas.
ah , ok.
Hamas is more than its leaders. It seems to be a reality that in any movement there are people who find a way to get rich off it and make that more important than the movement, but Hamas does not disappear if you just take out this rich elite and those people who are left have a different raison d’etre then these get rich grifters. For those people you have a much more complicated question of whether what they are doing is for the good of Palestine. Hamas seemingly have a definition of what is good for Palestine does not require the safety and security of its current population and is willing to use that population as martyrs for a greater cause of a Palestine ruled by Palestinians “from the river to the sea”, something few of the people signed up for.
I think Hamas as an entity is too poisoned to ever be part of a solution, and also their interpretation of the River to Sea phrase (dominance not liberation and freedom) is not viable with any workable solution. But getting to a point where there is a party on the other side to negotiate with has to acknowledge that many (most?) of the people involved are doing what they are doing because of a vision what they think Palestine could and should be. And that perspective will still be present in the conversation even if the leaders in absentia are eliminated.
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I agree with this. Its probably why Israel encouraged Hamas as well. Countries don’t negotiate with terrorists and it’s easier to relay this to the global community.
Few. Not anyone close to the majority.