They mentioned that. Sound like Putin trying to stir up shit in other countries again.
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I havenât really seen it as yet outside of marches etc.I donât believe the majority of ordinary people are hateful or abusive but unfortunately this action by Isreal could well see this section of society who wouldnât normally be openly vocal/critical,turn on those who attempt to defend Isreals actions,most of who will be Isreali or Jewish.
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You are of course right, but it could be even deeper than that: after all, Israel would never have been created without the help of the Western countries. At the time, they knew exactly that implanting a new Jewish state there would create a painful thorn in the side of the Middle East, and that was surely a political goal in itself, beyond the âeasyâ way of getting rid of a sentiment of cupability towards the Jews.
Fact is that Israel could never have caused all the problems they have without being supported to the hilt by the US and Western Europe, and that support has never wavered since the creation of that new state. Thus, what should we conclude from that? Divide et impera is a pretty old tool for any imperium, and the Western states have used it extensively.
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Disagree. I think he was already corrupt well before this.
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Possibly, but it has certainly gone from bad to worse.
Call me cynical, but I highly doubt that. It very much sounds to me more like a case that anything but full-blooded support of Jews and Israel is very costly politically.
Just as an example, I canât count on the UK government to think even more than a few hours ahead, why would I think that they are capable of running such a systematic policy to divide and conquer?
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Itâs the US who set the tone. European states just follow their overlord, and that applies even more for the UK imo.
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More or less confirmed. https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1722150543202652661?t=hOZIHN0WOQnFrFYXDVrLig&s=19
Ah yes, Russia! The country with such a long and distinguished history of concern for the welfare of Jewish inhabitants and caller out of antisemitism everywhere so much so that they gave us the word âpogromâ.
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Again, weâre talking about a government that can barely pass a budget. The Israel lobby is strong there too, especially among the nutcases who think that it will bring about the second coming.
This motion against Talib is as much about her choice of words than her position per se so its difficult to draw comparisons to how people are responding to the rest of that crew. She, a child of Palestinian parents, used the phrase âfrom the river to the seaâ and it is being positioned as support of genocide against the Jews in Israel because it is a phrase Hamas uses. Her argument is the phrase long predates Hamas and relates only to the liberation of their people. No one cares. The response is âto me, that is an offensive phrase and she should know how that makes people feel.â No one also cares that Israeli officials frequently use the phrase to describe their desires for the region as well.
As always when it comes to US politics, it is the dumbest version of any conversation that could be had about an issue.
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FWIW, a friend of mine has their kid enrolled in a Jewish primary school. They arent Jewish but its the most convenient choice for them given the location and the school doesnt care that the kid isnt Jewish. Sheâs been kept home twice since the initial Hamas attack due to credible threats against it.
Things just keep getting depressing day by day.
This in effect is Cold War 2
Talib tried to be sensible. But trust people to cherry pick one phrase in her entire speech to demonise her.
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That assumes that he wasnât corrupt to begin with.
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To a degree its not great politics to use words and phrases that you have to spend all your energy explaining they donât mean what people think they mean (âdefund the policeâ). But to the other, its incredibly damaging for the dominant culture to get to define what the minority mean by the words they say. This is indicative of how the larger conflict is positioned in the mainstream, extending to a very Isrealcentric framing of what the conflict is even about.
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Right, but âfrom the river to the seaâ has become poisoned. One might as well be suggesting that there really is a âJewish questionâ. It is careless and counterproductive to use it, and Talib is not stupid. She knows how provocative that term is in the American political discourse that she exists in.
From the article: Tlaib has said she means it refer to all people leaving in Israel and Palestinian territories living in peace and equality, regardless of ethnicity or religion.
I think itâs clear enough to be fair.
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There was an article in Guardian a couple of days ago. The writer, himself a Jewish, said that any criticism of the government is taken as a criticism of Israel and that in turn is taken as antisemitism.
In what way is this any different than the Stalinist era or the present day China 
and North Korea?
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Tlaib could have spoken a bit better, and a bit more clearly, but on the other hand, thereâs almost nothing she could have said that wouldnât have been pounced on.
The antisemitism card is being played, and people are foolishly equating legitimate criticism of a governmentâs action to antisemitism.
One of the first things that goes out the window, when atrocities are being committed, is how language is used. Tlaib has rights, protected in the Constitution, and she should continue to speak up, even if doing so is enormously difficult.
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