Thank you for the accolade. I would sanction the expenditure in a heartbeat, if I thought for a moment that the cheque wouldn’t bounce! 
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And I always thought that the Accountant was the most important person in such Chicago style organisations? 
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You make it sound like it’s as simple as just walking into a shop and buying someting off the shelf,when there were loads of factors into why just buying a CB on the 1st of january didn’t happen.
For us to compete with United,Chelsea and City’s spending and keeping us competitive with them,we have to be savvy with our money and plan ahead to be able to get as much bang for our buck as possible and able to sort out multiple positions at the same time.
If spending £40mill on a back up CB in january (and massively over spending,when quoted prices) means we can’t afford to buy our first choice CB and another position during the summer,then we just don’t waste that money,especially when Klopp would rather keep the squad small and teach/train our young players,than bring in someone just to fill a gap and not really 1st team quality.
We still had Matip and Fabinho fit,with Williams and Phillips as young back ups till towards the end of january,Klopp was obviously hoping to have them all fit to finish the last few months of the season off,then Matip got injured and it was an urgency to bring in a CB.
They were looking at CB’s before the january window and were told £30-40mill for Kabak,which basicaly backs FSG and Klopps opinion of not buying in january makes sense,because thats a massve overspend on a player thats worth not even a 1/4 of that price atm,he’s potential and atleast 2 years away from getting anywhere near our first team,in an idea world,this whole situation is on Klopp AND FSG,not just the owners but it’s easy to see how we got into this problem,especially in these times.Now if we had Man City levels of cash,we’d have just gone out and thrown money at it,without worrying about what we can spend in the summer.
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See to defend FSG people keep having to go to the extreme. No way Kabak would have actually cost £40m even if we had bought him out right at start of January. It’s nonsense to suggest that’s the only thing we could have done. We had two prices agreed for better players in Botman and Caleta-Car but their clubs couldn’t get replacements in in time and in Botmans case there wasn’t enough time to sort Origi going the other way. Those are real deals, real prices, real players that could have been here releasing the intense pressure at CB we’ve had (which also increases the pressure in CM due to them covering there). If that money had of been made available earlier maybe Matip isn’t under so much pressure to play and doesn’t get injured as badly.
To be honest, there is no idea when life ( and revenue) will return back to normal post covid-19. Perhaps FSG may need to look to the middle east for some funding now given that the rumours of FFP is loosening up…
I’ve seen a few sources saying that Shalke quotes about that for Kabak in December.
But those sources don’t support your argument so they don’t count.
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What a club quotes before negotiation is very rarely what actually ends up happening. But, yet again, Kabak was never the CB we wanted. We made offers to buy CBs where the amount was accepted, less than £25m, but wouldn’t even accept an obligation to buy being in the Kabak loan.
The club has been making record revenues year on year. The club recorded the fifth biggest revenues across Europe at last count and net spend under Klopp is 13th in the league let alone Europe. That’s nothing short of diabolical.
Klopp has done a great job. Achieving Champions League football when we first did, successfully winning it, making another final and winning the league as well.
We have a very good team as it is but the club could have won more if more was done with regards to recruitment. Often the team has always been a few players short, the team has been stretched with little options to properly rotate. While the injuries have blighted this season to a degree, you’ve got to be blind if you think this team shouldn’t be doing better.
Sixth loss at home in a row. No open play goals. Inexcusable the football and performances this season. Refereeing has impacted results as well but the bigger picture is this team is floundering big time. It’s painful. FSG need to spend. For too long the club has just got by. FSG need to take responsibility here.
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Hahahahah from that defeat you blame FSG the fucking state of you. Some people are so warped in their agenda they are just talking utter shit.
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Strange post. Try reading it again.
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This bit? Klopp and the players should take responsibility.
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We still cling to the idea that Klopp and FSG fit the stereotypical mould of Football Manager and owners where the manager want to solve every problem through the market and the owner wants to hoard cash and not spend anything.
If you think the club should have bought more more players over the last few seasons, you have to accept that is at least partly down to Klopp as well as FSG.
Yep try reading the whole post. Carefully.
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Another pitiful display, how far are we going to fall here?
Looking at this season it does have to be said that absolutely everything that could go wrong has. Obviously injuries but some very poor refeering and VAR decisions havent helped. The whole squad is out of form though.
I really think we did ourselves a disservice in the Jan window leaving it so late to sign players when blind freddy could see the need. The players should have arrived day 1 of the window so we could have integrated them into the squad sooner and tbh the quality needed to be of a higher level. We sign a quality CB and loan in Kabak and Jordi and Fabs are back in CM.
I’ll give Edwards and co the benefit of the doubt theyve earned that and assume they where the absolute best we could do but if it is a penny pinching decision its false economy because missing CL football is gonna coat us more than a quality CB would have anyway.
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I’m not going to the extreme at all,we were quoted £30-40mill for Kabak in december,when we weren’t 100% going to buy any CB but just looking around.That figure alone will tell you why we don’t like to buy players in january and probably the reason why Klopp AND FSG held off from spending at that moment in time,knowing we still had a fit Matip,Williams,Phillips,Fabinho and Henderson to fall back on.Klopp would save cash for the summer,work with youth and have 2 midfielders to fall back on as a last measure.
What your not taking into account or don’t want to acknowledge,is the timing of when Klopp and FSG actually NEEDED to go out and buy the players you’ve mentioned,which came later in january,which ended up to be too late.
Like i said before,hindsight is a marvelous thing but there were a lot more factors in place,as to not just buying Botman or Caleta-Car in early than you’re making out,those fee’s for both players weren’t agreed by january 1st and it wasn’t just a simple target,pay the money,job done by 1st of january,when we obviously had no intention of buying anyone at that time,seeing as we were going to be made to pay a premium (see Kabak fee at that time) for any CB leading upto Jan 1st,we held off,Matip got injured in late January,we know the rest of the story.
If you think the CB problems were only hindsight you simply weren’t paying attention. Realistically we went into January still in the title race despite our CB options being;
Matip; Was always going to spend more time injured during the season guaranteed, and did.
Phillips; Never good enough for this level, first taste of top flight football this season.
Williams; Too slow and inexperienced for this level and our tactics, first taste of top flight football this season.
Henderson; Desperately missed from midfield and first games as a CB in top flight football this season.
Fabinho; At the very least needing to be rested more as was being overplayed, could really have done with playing a few games in midfield to help avoid burn out there. First significant run of games as a CB at top flight level this season.
If anyone looked at those options and thought it was anything less than a catastrophe waiting to happen they were deluded. Klopp didn’t. Klopp said in press conferences that he’d recommended strongly the need to strengthen at CB. I just think FSG made a mistake in not listening to their football experts.
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Getting in Davies and Kabak right at the end of the window doesn’t mean that the owners suddenly loosened the purse strings, somehow proving that the ability to do so was always there. We paid fuck all for them. If anything those transfers only go to further support the contention that money was/is tight.
Don’t give me any reference to offers of £25m for other targets or whatever in the belief that doing so contradicts that contention. It doesn’t. Nobody knows how any such offer was structured, only that it was turned down. A club in need of cash rejected it. Hmmm.
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Fees are almost always structured. The Caleta-Car fee was accepted they just couldn’t get a replacement. The Botman move was also apparently accepted but there wasn’t enough time to sort out how Origi would have gone the other way. There are two issues. Profit&loss and Cashflow, you’re correct Cashflow would have probably only been one, probably diminished, down payment this financial year.
Yes, but the way we’ve been structuring deals this year have been beyond the normal staggered payments we see.
More has been made of it than it deserves actually, the initial payments have been lower than traditional and spread over a year or so more than we usually do, but some other clubs spread out their payments that far.