Reminds me of Saudi Imams firing artillery in Yemen
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1678316361691414528
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LolâŠ
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To me the Prigozhin manoeuvrer was a redeployment of Russian forces in broad daylight, in front for everyone, from the Donbas region to Belarus, now within 100kms of Kyiv I think? Youâll notice nobody important spoke about this. No comment from senior US officials, or NATO officials. They knew this was a psyop from Russia. The media and also to some extent Ukranian forces, were fooled.
I doubt it, if it was then it must be the most sophisticated psyop in history . Prigozhin threw a hissy fit because the Russian MoD were forcing all Wagner troops to sign contracts with them, he backed down because him and his troops would have been massacred. The West said nothing about it because backing the overthrow of Putin could have been seen as an act of war. If only they were that cautious about sending billions of $ of weapons to Ukraine.
what was the alternative?
encourgare a negotiated settlement. funny how the talks in turkey last year collapsed just after boris visited kiev.
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thatâs a really naive outlook. Crimea was taken from Ukraine in 2014, there was little blowback from Ukraine. Once Russia moved in force in Feb 2022, it was a declaration of war. Youâd just have Ukraine give up thousands of square KM of land without a fight?
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Iâm still very disappointed that the Wagner wankers didnât carry on to Moscow and start breaking things. About time the Russians felt some pain for supporting their terrorist kleptocracy and some discomfort and bloodshed might just finally rouse them from their drunken stupor.
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Problem is that if anything goes bangy on Russian soil, Putin will use it as an excuse to break out the big guns. That, in the words of Klopp, would not be cool.
Thatâs too simplistic. NATO membership has already âcrossed the line in the sandâ threat re nukes and Putin canât realistically do anything about it.
Not if its their own rogue forces like in his example. They would likely respond with nukes to a Major NATO attack on Russian soil, but that is different.
There have already been incursions into Russia proper (Belgorod) with barely a whimper in reply.
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So in your honest opinion, what do you believe would have been the outcome of this negotiated settlementâŠ.?
So, lets relate it to everyday life. You live in a neighbourhood and your next door neighbour decides he hasnât got a big enough garden, so he rips down your fence, and reinstates a new fence line. You appeal to the rest of the neighbourhood and they are like, just leave it, we donât want to create an issue here. So you lose part of your land. A few years later they are at it again, you fight back, everyday you and your neighbour are moving the fence line. Your neighbours ask you to negotiate, give him a bit more land for a bit of peace and quiet. Guess what happens in a few more years time?
I am sure you would be very comfortable with thatâŠwhy would you be when it is affecting your family and livelihood. Now multiply that by a million or so families.
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