Finally, I’ve been called a transphobe. My life is complete. And by a member of the site team too. Wow. Fucking wow. More insults, how unusual. About your friends you can’t discuss politics with. They get annoyed when you hurl insults? Or can you just not help yourself?
I sense red text from somebody who doesn’t result to personal insults. I’m leaving this.
I’m not 100% sure of the specifics of the discussion as it’s been a little hard to follow, but there is plenty of evidence that more attacks on women happen in unisex spaces than in seperate women only spaces.
I once walked into the womens toilets when I was drunk. I immediately realised my mistake and turned around to leave and the club bouncer was already at the door ready to chuck me out on the street. Fortunately he believed my genuine error and I was allowed to stay in the club.
When, womens spaces exist, it is very easy for a bouncer to keep an eye on this. Once you make it unisex toilets, you automatically increase the likelihood of attack due to opportunity.
With regards to trans-people using single sex toilets. I don’t see the issue as long as they have the necessary equipment to use the facilities.
But really the problem isn’t about actual trans people attacking people, it’s about being able to stop somebody who is a man, and identfies as a man, from being able to walk into womens spaces and saying ‘It’s okay, I identify as a woman so I can be in here.’
When seperate spaces exist, it’s almost always 99.9% possible to tell if the person who walked in is of the opposite sex and can be told to leave, or you can leave yourself.
It’s equally unhelpful in a discussion to write off something which is a real and actual problem for hundreds of women every year and pretending it’s a nonexistent hypothetical scenario.
It is for some people, but let’s think about the liklihood of the scenario you’ve suggested.
You’re saying that someone who wants to attack a woman is going to start presenting as a women - with all the shit that entails - in order to secure a victim.
Why would they bother when there are multitudes of other ways they could attack women?
No, that’s not what I’ve said at all.
Isn’t it the implication? Otherwise what’s the point that you’re making here?
Are you saying instead that someone can just waltz in and claim that they’re a woman in order to attack a woman?
Do you have any sources? Not sure where to start Googling on this one.
It’s probably worth pointing out at this stage, that lots of women are attacked by men in public toilets every year, and they don’t bother dressing in women’s clothes to do it. I had a friend at Uni who was attacked by a man in a public toilet, and he wasn’t claiming he was a woman. He just followed her in.
I have no idea why everyone is suddenly concerned about men attacking women in female toilets. No one seemed that bothered until the transgender people turned up.
Well, it’s clear you didn’t comprehend anything I said the first time, so I’ll just leave it at that and not waste any more of our time.
Yes, but I’m certain it will just be ignored anyway.
Not by me at any rate. I’m always keen to learn more.
Let me rephrase then, since I’ve upset you.
I’m sure you have no personal hatred towards transgender people, and I’m sure you’d be perfectly pleasant if you ever actually met one.
But the fact remains, that your attitude towards transgender people (through the stuff you say here) is transphobic. You don’t understand it is, which is why you are upset. But it is.
You have a habit of taking an issue that is a serious impediment to peoples lives, and mocking it, creating false equivalences and taking the piss out of people who are probably amongst the most vulnerable in our society right now.
You asked if I’m personally offended and, yes, I am a bit. I’m not transgender so I can’t ever fully understand how stuff like this really feels. But I am lucky to know a few transgender people, and I am aware this is the kind of bullshit they have to deal with every hour of every day. I am aware how this stuff just grinds you down.
I’ve said before, across different issue, I’m sure you’re a lovely bloke, but you have got to grt rid of this solipsistic worldview where if you can’t understand a struggle it doesn’t exist.
Oh no, Twitter will have to find something else to meltdown about now
Have they moved on from #FSGOUT already?
Unlikely.
They wont be happy until we’ve bought Mbappe, Bellingham, and whoever else they have in their fantasy football team
A wet digestive is more astute than Boris(even though I believe he is fly rather than thick)
Johnson always reminded me of a toddler whose face was covered in chocolate denying that they had stolen the cake.
My own search suggests that the “evidence” is based on an FOI request from the Sunday Times on reported sexual assault in public swimming pools, where it was revealed that of 180 such reports, 120 were in unisex changing rooms, 14 were in single-sex changing rooms, and 46 were in common areas.
Setting aside the fact that this is just a collection of data rather than an actual controlled experiment, there is no information about the relative prevalence of unisex versus single-sex changing rooms in public swimming pools.
There is also no statistical comparison of whether this difference in number of cases observed can be expected to have come about by chance or whether it is statistically significant.
Most commentary I’ve seen also gloss over the fact that 46 of such attacks occurred in common areas; should swimming pools therefore be segregated by sex as well?
If you do have good evidence I’m keen on learning more, because the only such “evidence” I’ve found so far is rather useless.
Are we allowed to use “I had a friend” as I’m pretty sure when @Klopptimist uses instances like that he’s told not to.
