So that’ll be a no then 
This is similar to point I’ve been trying to formulate but have failed so have held off.
Basically, what is the ratio between investment in overseas development and internal investments. If Europe cared about real protectionism of its future “purity” you could argue that anything up to 50% of the budget should be going towards development of poorer areas.
Until non-log scale parity is reached there will always be a rationale to come to Europe.
Edit - was supposed to be a response to Mascot
Ive never bought that argument as if you get these immigrants housed and working you will see an increase in tax revenue which can then be used to improve the public services that are crying out for investment
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I mean, where do you even fucking start.
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Refugees are defined within the convention as someone that has been forced to flee their country of origin.
An asylum seeker is a person who is awaiting their resolution to a claim for asylum.
I’m not wrong. They are not illegal until their claim is rejected.
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What are the grounds for claiming asylum, and when do they fit into the “economic migrant” bracket?
The 1951 convention defines it as “someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.”
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So basically anyone from anywhere.
Maybe a 73 year old document needs updating?
I can only speak for myself, but I’d start with the Ballotine of Duck Liver with Damson Cherry and Pistachio, then move onto the Bresse Pigeon with Smoked Beetroot and Blackberry, and hopefully finish with the Chestnut Mont Blanc with Rum and Caramelised Pear.
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Yes, that’s right. I’ve never been to a GP…
I do pay for the dentist, and I am fortunate enough to have never had to require social housing, though.
How do you get ‘anyone from anywhere’ from that definition?
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Are you familiar with something called the ‘danelaw’. The Vikings swore by it 
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And waited up to 3 weeks where too many people are trying to see too few GP’s?
Ah cool, you’re ok Jack
Two big factors here is that there is a steadily ageing population that typically requires more GP appointments and a falling number of GPs - at least in terms of partners. There are now more salaried GPs but they will tend to work fewer hours.
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On paper that definition is sound and there are indeed plenty of people in this world who falls into that definition but due to politicking and lobbying, how to verify that fact is a challenge. For Singaporean, our classic case is Amos Yee who claimed asylum in USA and people lobbying to grant him that and he got it to our amusement and he is now causing a mini mess over there (not that he could cause more than the US is), convicted paedophile and so on and we are happy to leave him there.
But I like to believe these are exceptions and true asylum seekers should get the help they need.
No, I don’t - as I said there is a proper asylum system in place, its just been under resourced. However, Labour upon taking up government have put some extra money there and as @WeeJoe has said it is having a positive effect on the backlog. No doubt more needs to be done but its a step in the right direction
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Excellent post.
They’re not polling at 30%, you might be confusing Bundesländer, mainly East German ones, with the federal government. They’re currently at 16-19% in federal polls. As it stands that’s no realistic basis of ousting all the other parties out of power, particularly with the kind of voting system we have.
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Factually incorrect though.
Potentially anyone but you’d be hard pushed to have a successful claim for updating documents or trying to run from persecution in the Uk.
Which comes back to the point of assessing claims. It needs to happen, the quicker the better.
Also by building safe routes you can more easily establish where someone has come from. Safe routes are awkward though. You’re not getting an agreement with the Sudanese government for safe routes any day.
Its ultinately about agreements and resources. The process exists, it needs to be followed. Agreements with France and other EU countries on initial processing centres, safe routes etc. You stop the boats by removing the business.
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I keep coming back to the fundamental point…
More than enough dollarbucks sloshing around to put roofs over everyone’s head, food on their table, and to get them into the GP quicksticks.
Did have to wait over a week for my last GP appointment, too, from memory.
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