Yeah, itās fair to say that the EU would look for guarantees. Possibly, the UK could lose some of the special status bonuses it enjoyed before Brexit, as a founding member.
But on the other hand, having the UK back in the EU would be an incredibly strong signal for everyone, and would offer a lot of bonuses to both sides.
Maybe Iām too emotionally involved, being an Army veteran, in the recent declaration from Starmer that heās āpreparedā to send British troops to Ukraine.
The ramifications of that actually happening donāt bear thinking about.
Aside from that, the thoughts that must be going through the heads of thousands of servicemen and their families must be all over the place.
Of course the Russian invasion of Ukraine is an awful situation, they occupy about 10% of the country over and above Crimea (who want to be part of Russia donāt they?), and itās 3 years into the conflict.
Chances of occupation of other countries, Poland was mentioned, are pretty slim.
What I find particularly disturbing, but not surprising really, is the absolute nonchalant reaction to British troops potentially being forced to fight on the ground in Ukraine against Russian troops.
Comparing the reactions to this, to the absolute outrage of Dominic Cummings visiting a fucking castle as an example, speak absolute volumes.
I wonder how much of it is because of understanding and acceptance of the point that if this isnāt done, it wonāt be long before another country gets invaded. Appeasement of Hitler still sticks really strongly in the public consciousness in that regard, Iām guessing.
I think youāre wrong here. Maybe not Poland to start with, but considering it shares a āsensitiveā border with Russia it could be too tempting for Putin, especially if Europe is fragmented and unwilling to address the threat.
With regards to the rest of your post you still dont explain why or answer the questions asked.
It is not nonchalant at all. It is the last thing anyone wants but in direct response to the question that was asked, the answer has to be yes.
I think you are getting hung up on the language and theoretical nature of the question.
When Starmer is asked āare you prepared to send Uk troops to Ukraine. There are three possible answers.
Yes
No
Not sure.
If he says 1 then people get on his back for provoking Russia/not thinking about the troops/ war mongering. If he says 2 then people have a shit fit that he is weak in the face of Russian aggression and removed a detergent from Putin. If he says 3 then heās a weak leader who canāt be straight with the Public
Prospective British Leaders are always asked āwould you be prepared to launch a nuclear missile if it was in Britains defence interestsā. They always say yes (the idea being that a nuclear deterrent is only a deterrent if leaders make a show of being prepared to use them) and are met with a torrent of abuse about using an unconciable weapon that would never be justified. Until Jeremy Corbyn turned and said he wouldnāt be prepared to use a nuclear weapon, because they are unconciable weapons that can never be justified. And everyone lost their shit about it.
There is no right answer to these issues.
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Aside from that, the thoughts that must be going through the heads of thousands of servicemen and their families must be all over the place.[/quote]
If you sign up to serve in the armed forces isnāt there an acceptance that at some point you might be deployed to fight? I would have thought that would always be a risk.
Of course they should expect and demand that our leaders deploy and treat them with great care and respect.
If it comes to it, and letās hope to god it doesnāt, surely halting Putinās advance into Eastern Europe is a more noble cause than destroying two Middle Eastern countries because we want the oil?
What you are comparing here is a difficult foreign policy statement in reaction to an escalating, unpredictable global crisis, and a public servant telling an egregious lie to cover up the fact that he wanted to ignore the rules he had demanded the rest of the country follow. Itās apples and oranges.
The frog-faced cuntās latest drivel made me remember something I read a very long time agoā¦there are dozens of articles/essays making the same pointā¦
Anywaysā¦higher birthrates? Thatās a good-un. Iām pretty sure there are a great many people out there who are loathe to bring children into this dumpster fireā¦
I didnāt say you did. In your original post you said;
In your own words, your reasoning for a Diverse city such as Birmingham, where the Council has been Labour since 2012, maybe voting for Reform instead was maybe because it was an Anti Establishment vote. I was just reminding you that they are not all fascists.
I know what my answer would be, it would be the same as in the Referendum and that would be to leave.
The issue with Brexit is that it was and still is a very divisive issue. Both sides will still try and justify their stance, remain citing lies and people not knowing what they were voting for. Leave, stating that it gives us more freedom and control over a policy making, etc.
What is evident is that the divorce process wasnāt handled very well and both sides are accountable for this.
Would rejoining the EU give way to a massive expansion of trade, I donāt think so. Thatcher and New Labour has made the UK a predominantly Service based economy. As an Export this has increased since Brexit, despite the scaremongering.
Germany and France, have since Brexit (not suggesting it is the reason for) seen Trade deficits on their exports. Germanyās car industry has taken a massive hit with the focus on Electric cars and Chinaās cheap alternatives.
Military deals, are there any to be made? I ask this as a genuine question.
Regarding Trump, maybe it is a wake up call. Europe, since WWII has been willing to be looked after by the US whilst it paid off its bills and rebuilt. In his first term, Trump referred to the number of Countries not meeting their commitment of 2.5% of GDP to their defence budget.
I was listening to a good piece on the radio (bbc 5 live) earlier and it basically highlighted the fractures in the EU and how on the Global stage it is not considered a superpower and I kind of understand that concept. I think the EU is going to come under some scrutiny over the next few months
To be honest it is not as black and white as Yes, No, Not Sure.
Yes, we would consider sending Troops to Ukraine. However, as I speak it would be the last resort and would require a great deal of cooperation with our Allies.
No, as it stands we have no intention of sending Troops to the Ukraine. However, we will be reviewing this regularly with our Allies and will not rule it out.
As above. But starting the sentence with āNot sureā.
All of the shite we are grappling withā¦most recently in the UK, Brexit, Trump, Farageā¦can be traced back to the fact that ruling elites the world over have for decades been able to funnel money upwards, irrespective of the government (often directly enabled by the government).
I often make the āoff with their headsā joke, but I honestly feel the world is a very decent chance to experience another such cataclysmic jolt.
Correct me if Iām wrong, but I donāt recall it being an answer to a question, it was a pre meditated announcement. It was unnecessary and extremely reckless.
Of course, being a soldier comes with the potential to at some point be sent into conflict. Some conflicts are justified, some not.
Iād wager that Blair was advised by senior military officers against his actions, and Starmer (assuming he sought advice) is too
I firmly believe it wont happen, but both examples are wrong.
Itās one thing sending equipment an munitions to assist Ukraine, but troops on the ground could escalate this to a level beyond comprehension.
Wrong as it is, Russia is making little progress after 3 years towards Ukranian occupation, chances of it spreading to the remainder of eastern Europe are very slim.
It was sickening to see our troops deployed in both Gulf wars, the reasons were morally wrong on many levels.
Apples & oranges or not, itās an illustration of frequent levels of outrage displayed towards he said/she said, he did/she did versus shoulder shrugging towards despicable crimes, actions or events
If you want more use internet thereās years of it.
Honestly if you were/are not aware of the UKās position over this you should not be commenting.
A major part of such a structure was to unify equipement projects and procurements on a European scale. Something that weāre talking about today due to ārecentā events.
So even though you now know that the Brexit referendum was massively influenced by Russian money and Russian social media farming, and you are aware that Russian money and influence has also contributed towards Trump getting elected, and you know that the resulting destabilisation of Europe has emboldened Putin to embark on his drive into Eastern Europe, youād still vote to leave?