UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Couldnt agree more on imagination, but I’d also add balls. Someone who is squeaky clean and has the balls to say fuck off to the Telegraph and go straight at tackling issues like energy bills, non dom, landlords, political bullshit like MP consultancies, second jobs, lobbying and so on.

People are screaming for change but dont know where to look for it. And by heck our whole political and government system needs looking at.

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Ha ha fuck me you chat some shite in attempts to backtrack on what you’ve posted. You should be a politician.
You said Labour are essentially the Tory party now when last year you jumped on anyone saying they were all the same… Deal with it.

I see we’re now at the stage of discussion where because this pile of turds don’t quite smell as bad as the last pile of turds, so it’s somehow not as bad.

From what I’ve seen since July, it’s almost as if this lot are doing their level best to ensure they don’t get a second term.
Then we’ll undoubtably hear the “we didn’t have enough time” excuses

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I’m no tax expert but I very much suspect the changes the government has announced are much simpler and quicker to introduce than a wealth tax.

Exactly.

X is a cunt but Y was a bigger cunt. Still a cunt all the same.

So, you completely misunderstand what I was saying in a desperate attempt to suggest that I’m saying anything close to “both parties are all the same”?

Okay.

No, I didn’t misunderstand you saying “these are essentially the Tories at this point”.

No, you’re just deliberately taking it out of context.

Like I said, shall I edit the original post so it’s clearer to you?

It’s not a ‘view’, it’s what the data says. As for inequality, your post I was responding to implies the government are afraid to increase taxes on the wealthy - but as I’ve highlighted that isn’t correct.

Meanwhile, Inequality rates have remained somewhat flat over the last 35 years.

Income inequality in the UK - House of Commons Library

Sure, but that isn’t because the government isn’t willing to tax rich people or because the country is becoming more unequal. It’s more complicated than that.

No thanks, it’s clear enough.

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They won’t have enough time; I probably said as much last summer. They’re trying to do an awful lot of stuff very quickly but much of those things are long term changes that will need time to bear fruit.

Furthermore, it’s scope for delivering these has been hampered not just by its manifesto commitments on spending restraint and income taxes but also by unexpectedly strong private sector wage growth, higher energy prices and Trumponomics 2 that have led to higher borrowing costs.

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And yet this government has started doing some of the things on this list and has only been in power for about 9 months and had one budget…

But what change people are screaming for will differ according to who you ask and as we know, this government wasn’t voted in by one narrow group of voters but by a wide selection of voters.

Apologies I’m skippping through stuff while trying to do what feels like a million other things but from the link you provided it says

While the share of income going to the top 1% of individuals by household income increased during the 1990s and 2000s, there was some reduction in inequality among the rest of the population

But I appreciate the cost of living plays a huge role here.

Also when Thatcher came in she dropped the higher rate of tax from 83% to 60%. She then cut it to 40%. She also cut the basic rate over a number of years from 33% to 25% over a number years. So that’s quite a difference that favours the higher earners.

Apologies again I do need to see how this sits with the IFS article you posted earlier.

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So the only difference is the look on their faces?
I’m sure it will be a great comfort to the vulnerable people being throwing into destitution that Labour look sad when they do it.

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However, since the onset of the new Government, new free speech rules are being introduced for universities.

Under the Labour government there was an erosion of free speech.

Both the extremes of Right & Left are just as bad as each other in some respects and that is the gist of what I am saying, we need more common ground between political parties that want the best for all people taking into account both the minority and the majority but also considering national identity.

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This is a hard one especially regarding profitable companies, if you tax them too much they take their companies elsewhere it is a vicious circle.

Just look at Ireland’s economy, it is doing well and is partially due to lowering tax for companies resulting in more investment and a stronger economy.

It is I agree. The way I see it, they let the cat out of the bag and now it’s incredibly difficult to get it back in.

Tax rises to the likes of Tesco immediately get returned as higher prices at the check out so difficult to do without lifting wages as well.

So yes it’s difficult but I dont think it diminishes the need to do something. We’ve basically not a million miles away from a government budget that’s sole purpose is magaging debt. It cant invest in anything.

For Christ’s sake, It’s obviously a fucking joke.

(For the record, I don’t think the are the same at all, but shit like this doesn’t help my case)

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There hasn’t been any erosion of free speech. What has changed is that people now think they should be allowed to say whatever they like, and it not impact on the life in any way. That’s a new one.

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Not criticising, but that is essentially anti free speech…“there has been no erosion of free speech”

Followed by “What has changed is that people now think they should be allowed to say whatever they like”

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