not sure they are interested in anyone that sells the odd pair of bell-bottom jeans… but people do run a buying and selling business through these sites… it will be those that have high activity they will hunt down
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Do these MPs not get paid very well then?
Only £91000 basic salary + £20000 extra for whipping apparently. Now I see why she needed to claim the £900 doggy rent back.
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That’s just a standard expense for working away from home. What surprises me is that there is a rent increase for having a dog. Is that even legal?
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I thought I would take a break from the thread and try and break the cycle of everyone getting at each other.
I am not going to respond to any of your recent posts because it was starting to become a bit toxic (both parties) and I believe it to be unhealthy.
In regards to the post I am replying to, I genuinely read everything you and other members post. May I miss interpret them? Yes.
May I get carried away in trying to justify my point? Yes.
Am I the only one guilty of this? No.
My opinion/statement of intention:
Recently, I responded to one of your post’s and explained my position as honestly as I could. By doing so, I provided ammunition for other posters to shut me down, which to their credit didn’t materialise.
As I have stated numerous times, I couldn’t give a monkeys as to who is the PM, Party in Government, etc, as long as it was positive, progressive, beneficial to the majority of the public.
The Tories aren’t far right, the Libs aren’t far left. Yes, their policies may not completely adhere to your own but be open minded. Just because someone has a different point of view does not mean they are wrong or a bad person. It cannot be just dismissed as RW.
At present, Labour have done some good things and some bad things in their tenure. Have their policies been hamstrung by the Tories, definitely yeah, but that’s politics. Am I calling for a change of Government…no chance. However, without trying to come across as self important, there are a lot of the electorate, Labour/Tory/etc who do not have my patience/understanding/questioning. They are politically aligned and this extends to what I find annoying with this forum, is its double standards.
Anyhow, let’s wipe the slate clean.
“let’s wipe the slate clean! - but let me get the last word in first”
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I am generally not contesting your statement, I was just wondering if you could clarify your point.
From my understanding of your post, I agree to a certain extent, but I also believe “freedom of speech” has become more in order to be PC.
If we look at the two ongoing conflicts of interest, Russia/Ukraine and Hamas/Israel you are almost forced to hold the common narrative. I live in Birmingham and there are Palestine flags on literally every inner city lamppost. Does it bother me? Not at all, but imagine someone putting up a flag of David, it would be removed instantly and the Police called in for some kind of public incitement. What if someone hung a Russian flag?
The Freedom of speech Act. is a strange one.
I do find your comment ironic. At least I haven’t dismissed anything @Noo_Noo has said or Gas lighted him, your specialities. If I have over stepped the mark, then please feel free to report my post again…. I cannot apologise, for you taking offence for someone else, so please do not speak on someone else’s behalf. Aside from that, I wish you a good day
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A bit of an Oxymoron.
On another note, an example of the phrase “last word in first”
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."
I just thought it was quite apt for yourself, would you not agree?
This is demonstrably nonsense and, yet again, a right wing talking point regurgitated without critical thought.
People from both sides of the argument have been putting pressure on the authorities to curtail the activities of the other. Indeed, I have not seen reports of any pro-Israel demonstrations being shut down…not sure you can say the same for the pro-Palestinian activity.
Comments like this are exactly what Stewart Lee was referring to…These days, they throw you in gaol if you say you’re British…
Be better, Lynchy. Your rational man visage needs a lotta work.
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Doth refer to this?
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Those are some mad skills how on earth does he do that?
Sure. I actually did a couple of posts after the one quoted. Maybe have a look at that?
I don’t think freedom of speech has ever meant freedom from the consequences of saying what you think.
Stories of people being cancelled for saying what they think pretty much always come down to an individual or organisation making a commercial/financial decision not to employ or associate with the person in question. Which they are entitled to do.
So yay free speech. Go and say what you want about whatever you want. But don’t be surprised when people start judging you on the basis of what you say, and making decisions about you (including whether to employ you).
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Sorry, I forgot Stewart Lee was a Guru that we all kneel down to. No bias in his views, none at all. Also, why are you quoting a statement that has literally no relevance to my point. Am I bemoaning being British?
If you have evidence of Pro-Palestine protests being shut down then please reference them. I am not saying that you are wrong, or that it hasn’t happened. At this point I feel the need to highlight the fact that you and others, like stating things without evidence, and then go silent and fail to respond to counter arguments.
Thinking about it, when have you ever provided substance to your remarks? They are predominantly baseless comments looking for reassurance from the majority.
My post was not RW, not agenda based, it was in response to a post about the freedom of speech. Why jump on the Palestine part of my post, when I also referenced the Ukraine/Russian war.
If I was to hang an Israeli flag or a Russian flag on a lamppost, how long would it last? It would be removed almost instantly. Yet, If I was to remove a Palestinian/Ukrainian flag, I would be judged and seen as inciting hatred, suppressing the rights of people supporting their causes.
Freedom of speech should not be biased.
Is what I asked my boss once as a roofer when he caught me having a wank at work 
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Did he shake your hand?
I’m guessing not.
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As you are a self proclaimed adult, this comment was not required.
So, by being “cancelled” on the basis of what people think, and on the back of commercial/financial decisions it is seen as okay? So where do you sit on discrimination?
Surely you are intelligent enough to understand that you cannot base your decisions to employ someone on the basis of their views, irrespective of whether they align with your own.
Again, i reiterate, Free speech is viewed on a PC basis and the Freedom of Speech Act is unclear, It is subjective. Who determines what is right or wrong???
You are very content to say what you like and not consider the impact it has on life. It could be said, that you think that whatever you say is allowed. Maybe that is a new one…..or an old one?
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It was a genuine comment that obviously came across as snarky. That wasn’t my intent at all. I apologise.
It isn’t about someone’s views, it’s about commercial viability. We’re not talking about differences in political opinion - we’re talking about horrible views that carry a financial impact.
Should be able to not employ someone because they are a Tory? Of course not. Should I be able to not employ someone because their views on homosexuality would lose me custom and damage my business? Of course.
Should Disney be able to not renew the contract of someone who they believe holds views that would damage the audience of their show? Yes, they should.
Graham Linehan complained that the theatre company that was working with on the Father Ted musical cancelled him because of his views on Trans People. They actually dropped the project because his increasingly erratic and extreme behaviour (including threatening behaviour that prompted police involvement) would have impacted on audiences and prevented the project making money.
Morrissey has complained he has been cancelled because he can’t get a record company to put out his music. The reality is that he has alienated his audience to the extent that his music is not seen as commercially viable.
That’s the general story whenever you see a celebrity whining that they have been cancelled. It’s a organisation making a commercial decision that someone isn’t a viable investment anymore.
Society, in an imperfect messy way, determines right or wrong.
Society has decided, for example, that we don’t like racism. Certainly not overt nasty bullying racism (we seem alright with endorsing structural racism, but that’s another subject) and as such a comedian with an overtly racist act is is inevitably going to have a smaller audience. Therefore employers, promoters and are venues are going to refuse to take that act.
So when someone like Jim Davidson moans about being cancelled, the reality is that there is less of a market for his racist shit, and that’s why he’s playing end of pier shows to pissed stag do’s rather than still being employed by the BBC.
I’ll say again, you have never, ever had the right to be insulated from the impacts of what you say. It’s just what you could find yourself in trouble for has changed. In you were a comedian in the 50s you could be as racist and homophobic as you liked, but you’d quickly find yourself cancelled if you made an off colour remark about a Royal, or an establishment figure.
My question back to you: should employers, promoters, entertainment companies, publishers etc be forced to accommodate people who’s views and opinions would mean they lose money and put themselves at financial risk? That’s basically what you are saying.
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I accept your apology.
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And I’ll accept yours when you cover up that hairy chest, you deviant.