It’s not more of the same though, changes are happening. Either people dont like those changes, are not appreciative of the time it often takes to facilitate these, or they are not willing to give credit for them.
Lets not forget many of these areas that voted on Thursday are Tory areas that supported leave.
What choice do they have? What’s the point of voting for Labour when they turned out to be continuing the status quo?
I really don’t blame them that much in this case. Brexit should have been a wakeup call to the parties that it wasn’t just the country that was broken, it was also the politics.
There were no elections here so I can’t comment on their leaflets and I don’t read any newspapers but certainly from listening to and watching Labour spokesmen it seemed to me that they were still banging on about how bad a job the Tories did and what a mess they have to deal with which is true but I think people are bored with that message now. In fact Reform voters no doubt agree with the Tory mess sentiment.
Inheriting a Tory mess message had a shelf life but it has run out now.
But they are doing all of these things…
I don’t think people would mind change taking a while if they understood the point of it, if they understood the vision.
If Starmer had announced that the government was still 100% focused on net zero and the necessary investment that it took to transform the British economy towards a focus on the technologies needed to get there, even though it takes time because of the parlous state of government finances, people would understand it.
But they haven’t. And their actions have gone very much against it, such as the Heathrow expansion.
Where did they defend net zero forcefully, instead of cravenly saying that Blair wasn’t saying much that disagreed?
It was a lawyerly statement that was technically correct, but the message that people will get, is that Labour are cowards who don’t believe in what they claim they do.
Runcorn, Durham, Lancashire? Hardly Tory strongholds.
Nottinghamshire returned 9 Labour MPs and 2 Tories just 9 months ago and now Reform run the council and Labour now have 4 councillors to Reform’s 40.
I wasn’t justifying or defending it.
But your analogy could be just as accurate for the last election
You’ve been jumping through hoops for Starmer since before the election. Remember the bit about having to write for the S*n, denigrate migrants, support genocide etc., in order to get the Tories out. Then we’d see his progressive policies.
When people show you who they are, believe them.
I wonder how Reform will get on? Sniping from the sidelines and spouting anti-“woke” nonsense isn’t going to run a local authority.
Sure, I didn’t say that Reform are only a threat to Tory areas - but it is more a wider point about what change people are actually calling for or expecting to see from this government.
We keep hearing from people about wanting change and that this government is not delivering it without anyone seeming to question what that actually means as it will vary person to person, area to area. And if you are living in an area that strongly supported leave, part of your dissatisfaction over the lack of change will probably be in regards to not seeing benefits you were promised or genuinely believed would happen from Brexit. For someone else posting yesterday it was a failure of the government not to have negotiated a new trade deal with the EU last Autumn…
Easy, blame it on the national government. Job’s a good 'un.
Part of the problem here is that misinformation has taken hold and clouds the real message. Reform tap into this populist view.
Climate change for example is shrouded in the idea that its another tax creation scheme. Energy prices the same.
No one is successfully countering that crap.
Starmer in a nutshell
@redfanman this is exactly the shit I’m talking about.
Labour needs to stop pandering to the whole anti-immigration bullshit, and start focusing on appealing to voters based solely on their economic message. But if they don’t have one, it’s no surprise that they have to resort to this.
Absolutely pathetic.
I think part of the success of the Green Party in Birkenhead is that they were engaging with people on their actual problems rather than abstract things like immigration.
Maybe that’s why mainstream media outlets won’t give coverage to the Greens, but have huge amounts of time for Farage? They don’t want to discuss real issues.
Mainstream media is generally funded by billionaires. Therefore, the agenda is whatever suits them the best.
Simple messages, easily repeatable. There has been a fascinating series of articles in our local newspaper marking the end of the second world war. What is most interesting is how lies are repeatedly passed as fact until no-one questions them.
“Repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth”, as Goebbels said.
John McDonnell speaking sense.