I look forward to the rest of their well-reasoned and thoughtful policy platform.
FML
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Did you read 1984 and think āThat IngSoc lot. They seemed like they had some good ideasā.
Itās incredible how the āfree speech absolutistsā arenāt so absolute when it comes to Israel.
Israel are the terrorist state. Their leaders have arrest warrants from the ICC for using starvation as a method of warfare and other crimes against humanity. They have massacred tens of thousands of innocents and will continue until an ethnic cleansing is complete. Yet the UK continue to supply them weapons and the RAF provide intel flights.
But people who actually give a fuck about all of this and are armed with (check notes) spray paint are the terrorists?
Fucking dystopia
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This is why Iām largely quiet on Israel. I cant get my head round all the complexities of everything in that area and everything tied to it.
Thereās a huge amount of stuff that I personally cant justify on any level and yet there seems to be massive efforts to make it all appear as the right thing to do.
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I have a zero tolerance policy in that I switch channels whenever the middle east. Israel, Iran etc are mentioned. They were killing each other when I was a kid and no doubt before that and theyāll be killing each other when Iām dead and gone. No doubt religion has something to do with it.
I have no interest in trying to understand the complexities of it all, they can get on with it afaic.
This isnāt a personal dig, as Iām well aware that nothing we write on a forum will make a blind bit of difference.
However, I find it frustrating that people use the ācomplexityā as an excuse not to speak out as they would on other issues, Russia/Ukraine for example. The powerful Zionist lobby have made a concerted effort to confuse and scare, especially by conflating legitimate criticism of the Israeli government with antisemitism.
But thereās nothing complex about genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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True, and I have voiced my concerns on this on here in other threads, but the rest including the motivations and reasons of governments and groups to x,y and z is a completely illogical mess and Iām just not in a position to comment on that side in any way whatsoever.
Shouldnāt Starmer just implement his U turns first?
Would save a lot of time, money and anguish.
Slightly fascinating
https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/1938639196328952121
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You have to wonder how many other divisive accounts are faked by bad actors. If you see UK news stories on Facebook or the like, thereās usually a whole trail of anti-whatever vitriol. Often anti-Islamic (for example of thereās a murder then comments like āreligion of peace againā will appear faster than anyone can type).
Again, this is a bandwagon effect as we saw with the riots following the Southport murders last year.
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And Brexit was given a helping hand byā¦?
Reform are currently being given a bump by ā¦?
And itās all entwined with the free speech bs we see from parties that push this until they get called out and exposed.
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They seem to have dropped the charge relating to calling for tory mp,s to be killed but are still looking into the up hamas/hezbollah chanting and waving of the flags
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I would have thought the one calling for MPs to be killed was the more problematic.
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What about this Bob Vylan bell end?
His comments will probably get the same āunder the carpetā treatment as that cunt Jones
Main article on the BBC news is Starmer falling over to criticise their words . In stark contrast to his daily silence on the actual IDF death squads murdering civilians. Dystopia.
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Here we are, in the midst of a moral panic over a controversial rapper calling for the death of an organisation (which is what he said) because it is committing a unapologetic genocide, while the actual genocide goes on with barely a comment from those moral guardians.
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And like clockwork, the moral policemen shows up and spectacularly misses the point being made.
Iāve stated multiple times my outrage at everything being done by Israel and their leadership.
Point being, Johnny council estate dweller gets vilified for hate speech, wanker celebs and politicians get a free pass
He said āDeath to the IDFā.
Is the IDF a person? Or is it an organisation? Is ādeath to Facebookā hate speech?
Is the IDF a marginalised group of already vulnerable people? Or is it the aggressor in a catastrophically lopsided āwarā.
Can it be shown that the comments are going to spark specific violent behaviour towards the IDF in the same way as people spreading racist misinformation caused an actual riot last
summer?
And donāt you think itās a bit premature to be lamenting that celebs get a free pass, when less than 24 hours have passed and the police are actively investigating?
For the interests of full disclosure, I donāt think that his comments were helpful, but only because we are living in the midst of a free speech crisis, where people are genuinely confused about the difference between free speech, hate speech, consequence and responsibility (like you). This was inevitably going to result in bellends whining about the clampdown on actual incitement to violence in the wake of last summer riots, as if the two were remotely comparable. I also think that it is unfair that it is now the BBC getting it in the neck again, with Starmer calling on the BBC to explain why they broadcast it, as if they made a choice to broadcast the chanting. And theyād have also got it in the neck if theyād pulled the plug.
Vylan is a smart guy, and he is fully aware that he has pushed the line to breaking point - but in doing so he has highlighted that, for some people, calling for the death of an organisation, in abstract, from a stage thousands of miles away, is a greater moral crime than an actual genocide. That hypocrisy has never looked more hypocritical than it does this morning. If that was his intention, he has massively succeeded.
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