UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

This one?

Ironically, they ran this at the same time that Boris Johnson was attending a party with a KGB agent having given his official security the slip.

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No, I think he is talking about the big one that had consequences

I am not sure I agree that these two cases are entirely similar, but it sure was a big event and Panorama had some problematic reporting

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You say this as if it isnt true. Best look again.

It would have surprised me if they had.
I don’t think the press are leaping to Trumps defence and if they are it is irrelevant to point. It more about highlighting another issue where the BBC has failed in its duty to be impartial in its reporting and when advised failed to act on it.
If, as you say there was misleading information in the Corbyn documentary, then it is not a recent problem and should of been addressed earlier :+1:t2:

Your response makes no sense at all in relation to the part of my post you quoted. Can you please clarify how I am to interpret your post.

I definitely haven’t been given a pound for every time I have seen someone use “RW Media” in support of their defence. I have just double checked my bank account and no, I am still poor.
The rest of the quote you have referred to is definitely ‘True’, I mean @Mascot has just referred to the Right Wing Press in his post a couple above yours. I’m not saying he is right or wrong by using it, but he has used it and he is entitled to.

@Noo_Noo my discussion was not with you, it was not attacking anyone/any party. So if you do want to question a part of my post, please do it in a respectful manner and actually provide context to your point. “Best check again” is not grounds for supporting a point. :+1:t2:

People want an impartial media, yes or no? I consider the BBC a very impartial media source, so when they are putting their name (and reputation) to a media source it needs to be 100%. Otherwise, people like Trump or Corbyn (just for balance) can call foul and dismiss anything else - before or after - as lies because the BBC’s credibility is questionable and it gives people ammunition to call them LW or RW.

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If you sort it by “don’t trust” it’s about level with the Telegraph. The interesting thing is the “neither” column being low, which means it does still have sufficient reach for most people to have an opinion about it.

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Seems blatantly obvious to me rather than a conspiracy. The mega rich who are pulling the strings of the politicians and the right wing media want free rein to disseminate their disinformation

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After the last couple of months, the “Don’t trust” would probably be higher than the Telegraph :joy:, which really is a sad state of affairs.

I think your comment about “sufficient reach for most people to have an opinion about it” is spot on and probably why it is “Big News” at the moment.
Media sources like the Rags, people generally don’t care about or take to seriously, So, when asked to vote will most likely to do so without any consideration.
The BBC - like ITV and Channel 4 - are available at the touch of a button, via Tv/Radio/online. You don’t go down the shop and buy it and as you say, a provides a bigger reach, bigger platform. More people are able to form an actual opinion based on experience and this is why it is so important they get it right.

I would imagine it is hard to please the general public when reporting on live news. As people generally take offence to stories/news they don’t want to hear and we always seem to remember the ones that we don’t agree with.

However, it is vital that the documentary’s, the investigative journalism, the Panorama style programmes are relative by topic and as impartial/honest as they can possibly be by content. :+1:t2:

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Please don’t expect a reply, or a response when you mention me. As I said before, I won’t be engaging with you going forward.

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There is an article in the Guardian about the demographics of the Reform Party support. It makes for interesting reading, as it makes it clear that it is not all about foaming at the mouth racists.

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I chuckled when I read the description of the 5 distinctive groups. Irrespective of the results it is a very agenda based description. Did the pollers tick a box to confirm what group they fell into or was it assigned to them?
It suggests working right voters are predominantly old, yet on the age break down they are almost equal with Reluctant reformers for % of old voters.
It calls them economically insecure when infact they are much lower than the Reluctant reformers. The Reluctant reformers almost equal with the Hardliners.
For the working right it comments that the cost of living at 65% is a defining issue, yet the Reluctant reformers are pretty much equal. Different by maybe a percentage point. Same with the hostility to immigration, exactly the same as the squeezed stewards.

It is an interesting read, it is just a shame there is a bias in the analysing/reporting of it.
I would also be interested to see the break down within other parties.

The one thing that is clear from this poll is that the Governments current Immigration policy and the Cost of Living crisis (inherited or not) is the two main issues for voters of other parties defecting to Reform. Isn’t it sad that at present the voters would rather turn to Farage and a party with no policies than see Starmer and a Labour Government re-elected.

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There was another article I saw on a blog a while back that did an analyse of Labour voters, and it showed that they are quite different from the traditional working class trade unionists that were the foundation of the party.

I think what I took from the Guardian article is that much of the Reform support is more concerned with their daily budget rather than immigration, and those that are concerned about immigration aren’t going to be persuaded to vote for a centrist party.

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I think its a really fascinating study, with a lot that can be taken from it.

One thing that could come from it is, there’s obviously the hardline group. You aren’t getting those to consider voting elsewhere, but there are those, more concerned with the cost of living for example, that could be swayed.

Numbers rock

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They do, even when they’re made up, 74% of people think so.

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Is that the 74% of made up people, or 74% made up of people?

Yes.

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Soooo…

Politics hey?

Boy oh boy wowee.

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Your broad scope of thinking has stumped me.

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Not going too well for Jezza & co.

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