UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

A classic example of dismissing my point by questioning my character.

So the response tried to pull me up on something I didn’t say, yes or no?
Where did it point out my post was misleading or incorrect with fact, especially when the point was not in direct correlation to mine.
Taking your logic, you would have to accept that Noo_Noo response was misleading.

Anyhow, I have noticed @Noo_Noo has responded to your post and drawn a line underneath it so I will leave it as that. :+1:t2:

I concur.

What me directly???

So who succeeded DC……. Oh, that’s right Theresa May. Can you enlighten me as to whether she was Leave or Remain?

Remain originally i think.

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No, actually, it was to underline the basic point, which is that:

It didn’t try to pull you up on something you didn’t say, it was simply correcting your claim. That’s what I mean by the chip on your shoulder.

If I said that Salah now has 22 goals/assists in all competitions for us this season, I wouldn’t complain when someone corrected me to say that 2 of those were for Egypt.

The Football Governance Bill has it’s second reading in the House of Lords this week.

The bill originated with the last Government, and proposes that Nation States are prohibited from owning football clubs, and the human rights record of prospective owners is considered in decision making.

However Labour have removed a section (that the Tories had included) that stated that the regulator must take into account the Government’s foreign policy objectives when considering prospective owners.

So, once more with feeling, they are all the same as each other.

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Just watched a Discovery documentary where a bloke was convicted of the murder of a 15 year old school girl.
The evidence was overwhelming, and the killer pleaded guilty.
He got life, with a minimum term of 27 years.

His lawyers appealed the sentence, and it was reduced to 23 years, because, wait for it, her left that poor girls mutilated body where it could easily be found.

Fucking gobsmacked.
What kind of fucked up justice system allows this?

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This is becoming tedious.

Your original post suggests clearly states differently.

Anyhow, as I have said, let’s draw a line under it.

I am still waiting on your answer… s (I’m not being serious).

In regards, to the biggest lie comment. There was indeed a lot of false information, speculation, and I’m not going to get into a tit for tat about it. However, whether you like it or not both sides were guilty of it.
One of the few thing’s that was certain - as it came from his own lips during the debates - was that DC said, on numerous occasions that he would stay on and oversee Brexit, if that was what the public voted for.
DC was the PM, he used the referendum vote as part of his re-election campaign pledge. He believed it would never happen and when it did he jumped ship, left the country in a mess and made money on the back of it by releasing his Memoirs.
So, yes, I do think it was the biggest lie of the whole Brexit debacle. Because it wasn’t based on speculation, it was something that he, our PM, stated and had a degree of control over. If he got challenged, and lost, then at least he could say he was willing to honour his commitment.

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A Tory lied?

Don’t believe you.

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Sorry to sound like a broken record, again.
ALL politicians lie.

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But some don’t see football as a means of furthering foreign policy objectives.

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But it’s not especially useful as whataboutery

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Pointing out that all politicians lie (yes humans do too) is only classed as whataboutery by people who dont want to believe that their chosen brand of politicians also lie.

I don’t have a problem with the idea that all politicians lie. I have a problem with the idea that they are all the same as each other. Like I’d have a problem with the idea that someone who has stepped on a dog turd and someone who has stepped on a land mine have both had an equally shit day.

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Surely by definition the former has had a shittier day?

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Agree with this.
Quick, mark the calendar

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Human beings lie, we all do. I defy anyone on here to claim that they have never lied.
There’s a difference between small, inconsequential lies that we tell about how many glasses of wine we drank last night, or whether we really read that work email all the way through, and lies which cause danger to others or which incite hate.

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I think there is also a question around whether something is a lie, or whether it’s a change of policy because of the position you find yourself in.

Two of the most egregious lies told to the British Public. The leave campaign’s continual assertions throughout the Brexit Campaign. They knew they were lying. They carried on. Blair assertions around Iraq’s weapons capability, and taking us to war on that basis. He was lying and he knew it was nonsense.

I genuinely think a lot of the accusations of lying that get thrown around in politics are not lies. A lot of it is not being able to do what you said you wanted to do, because of what you are dealing with.

And a lot of the time politicians can’t be truthful because the public are thick as fuck and can’t make good decisions.

The completely truthful Labour message to the public in the run up to the election should have been we can’t make any promises because we think the countries finances have been devastated, we’re probably going to have to cut shit, and we’ll probably have to put taxes up. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

I don’t think they are getting in power.

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