Who, darling mentioned 2 million dollar mansions
Where is the outrage, but there are multi generational families that just work the welfare system and have more children as they see it as an option to get more from the state.
Regarding your facts, why is that aimed at me?
I had a niece in the UK who got pregnant at 15 so she could get a house and that is a story I heard a lot before I left.
As I said, I believe in the welfare for those that really need it, but I have no sympathy for those that are capable of working or donât try to help themselves and if that involves working 60 hrs then so be it.
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Just to add some context, total goverment revenue was about ÂŁ1,010 billion last year. Benefits of which pensions were over 50%, take ÂŁ384 billion, about 30%.
And? Are you saying thatâs ok?
30% welfare and so much wasted spending in the public sector. Get a grip n
The problem is that this is a blunt policy tool aimed at an issue that isnât nearly as widespread as people assume, and it doesnât address the underlying causes it claims to fix.
âIntergenerational worklessnessâ sounds like a major societal problem. Something the government needs to solve. But the evidence doesnât support that picture.
Studies have shown 2 generation workless households are extremely rare, and they could not find a single verified case of 3 generations.
Of course, a small minority will always abuse any system. But you donât design social policy around outliers.
Policies like this cast a wide net and penalise people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, whether due to redundancy, poor health, or an accident. They punish children for the circumstances theyâre born into. They encourage future migration. And they fail to deal with the real drivers of long-term economic hardship. (Regional decline, childcare barriers, housing instability, skills gaps, and a general lack of jobs).
Good policy should target real problems, not imagined ones, and support people in getting back on their feet rather than making things harder for those already struggling.
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Would you like to quantify this waste, because I think a lot of ministers would be very grateful for the analysis.
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I always hate the polarization of the conversation. Of course waste should be cut out and people who are up to no good and defrauding the state should be weeded out. Itâs impossible to completely do this but itâs a fair comment, letâs have a good attempt to make sure people are not ripping off the state. Itâs not contentious to do that. Everyone, or almost everyone agrees.
But letâs not forget the other side. Welfare should be there for those who need it. Dignified. It is right and good to help them. Civilized too, but of course it is best to do so in such a way that it is a help up, rather than a never ending permanent arrangement.
Almost everyone would agree that society should help people, while also running a system that means they have to take personal responsibility for their own lives too.
But alas, the arguments always skew to either/or, but thatâs a false choice.
It is both/and.
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Iâm pointing out that itâs statistically a small problem in relation to the amount you, and many others, are upset about it.
There are more people cheating the tax system, but thatâs not as visible.
Of course, nobody should be cheating anyone, but the scroungers claiming a few extra quid pale in comparison with the coroprate tax dodgers. They are the ones who deserve to be taken down.
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Huh! You were showing me nothing more than a graph. Which didnât show me anything other than Net immigration dropping. It doesnât show the number of Asylum applications, out of the Net immigration numbers, which is what I referred to.
If your Graph does provide these numbers please show me where.
Check my maths⌠the figures are taken from the two links I provided. I havenât calculated anything,
Also, why do I need to check what Net vs Gross means. I am pretty sure our debate has consistently referred to Net Figures.
I am pretty sure the common denominator is Net Migration. If you believe I have misinterpreted any of your points or made a mistake then highlight it, rather than respond in riddles. As I alluded to in my previous post, you do not relate or provide context to a majority of your responses to me.
I am not trying to make enemies here or offend, I will respond in kind and also apologise if I have over stepped the mark.
If you do not want to hear a different perspective or have your views challenged when needed then block me. It is completely upto you.
By the way, a âHintâ is pointless if Iv already come to the correct conclusion. 
And you have the cheek to tell me to check my Maths 
ask where I am getting my numbers 
. Your post is nothing but confusing.
Refer to pg.132 table 5.8
Pensioner spending is ÂŁ161bn 25/26.
Welfare spending in total is ÂŁ333bn for the same period.
So please show your workings out.
N.b. Pensioner spending also includes housing benefit.
This is all before we take into consideration the percentage of the Government revenue that is made up of Pension contributions.
A quick question if I may, when you retire are you going to claim your State Pension and any other benefits you are entitled to?
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dunno about the UK, but the Victorian Government infrastructure boom is just a massive transfer of wealth.
all the debates about stimulating the econamy, infrastucture upgrades, net benefits, they all make sense in a world where productivity is acceptable and the slop of funds isnt getting palmed around
politicians should be accountable to a degree about budget blowouts
theres guys absolutely taking the piss on these projects, its an embarrassment.
why should the taxpayer fund a road for 15 billion that could be built for 5
and weâre not talking of smashing the workforce and employing vast hoards of east asians A La Dubai.
theres cranes on our projects doing about 5 lifts a day, booked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, i shit you not, this is not an exageration. its a running joke.
i laugh when people say productivity is upâŚ
The government.
A very good point and this is an example of why the Welfare system is a good principle if not perfect.
The same can be said for Pensioners. I donât have any figures but how many working parents rely on their Parents (so childâs grandparents) to assist in child minding duties, picking them up from school, etc. Babysitting so they can go out and spend money which goes into the economy.
How often do their parents assist in helping out with the Cost of Living, lend money to assist in being able to buy a house. Save them money by doing odd jobs around the house.
I often see pensioners litter picking, working for charity organisations, you will also find a lot of them are carers.
What I find strange is that this is a predominantly Labour, Left leaning in their political views forum which should in theory focus on eradicating Pensioner poverty and protecting Universal credits like the State Pension Triple Lock. Are showing such distain to Pensioners, almost as though they are worth nothing and merely just a burden on the State.
Sorry Nan, Sorry Grandad, I love you but you are a burden on the Economy.
I donât value you now because youâre not contributing to the economy.
You should have saved more money during your working years to self finance your retirement.
If you canât afford to pay your heating bill, just throw an extra jumper on. Winter Fuel allowance my Arse. When you were young you had ice forming on the inside of your windows - you have gone soft in your old age.
A free Bus pass! you have nothing else to do with your day so just walk.
Anyhow, I am sure this will all be justified
I canât disagree with much in this post.
Construction is a strange one in-terms of Labour. Unfortunately, you wonât get anyone to work two/three days a week, so you have to employ them. Whether this be your basic labourer to your Crane operator.
You cannot create more lifts for the sake of it, just as you canât carry out more excavations to keep your machine driver busy. You employ/hire them so that they are available.
A Supermarket Security Guard may only stop 5 shop lifters a day, but you cannot just employ them for those 5 shop lifters.
However, I do agree Productivity is a big issue in the UK
Roughly 13-14% if you remove pensions. Now lets take disability benefits off that etc. Whats left?
Public sector wastage is an issue agreed. Can you give me an example of what you think is a prime example of such waste?
Seriously take a hike. Ok the numbers beed a tweak but youre seriously splitting hairs
With regards to your previous post. Overall people COMING IN to the UK is 898k. 110k of those is irregular. Thats from the link you provided.
Any idea how much nixers cost the UK government in lost tax every year?
subcontractors are being paid around the clock on stand by.
its a rort.
i know most people will find it hard to believe, but its blatant as that.
its an open cheque book.
its why i cant engage on political forums, most government projects are based on sound reasoning, until the pigs get thier snouts in the trough.
same thing with our NDIS (disability scheme)
last years budget was up from 42 billion to 52 billion
52 billion.
thats $2000 for every man woman and child in Australia
and thats an established system, its not a once off set up cost, 52 Billion Dollars a year, for a country of 26 million people. and no one bats an eyelid.
and whats worse is the level of service is less.instead of trained people in established buildings its all âregistered carersâ doing house visits , and they come up with some study telling us its beneficial.
someone said it on here not that long agoâŚthey tell you theres been a âprocessâ or a âstudyâ and off you should go, nothing else to see.
back to the point, looking after people in need, building infrastucture, etc etc, its all for the common good, but its not being run properly.bah.
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TLDR?
maybe to put it more simply.
happy with social policies. disgusted with the system in place that runs them.
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