UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Numerous issues. Firstly, the UK has essentially lost its nuclear expertise, (with regards to building and operating) nuclear facilities) as all our current reactors are nearing the end if their operating life and that generation has essentially retired, or is dead.

The industry that exists now is more aligned to decommissioning.

BUT the good(ish) news is that the decommissioning industry still works within the same regulatory framework as operations did, so transferring some of that over should be feasible.

Another issue is how UK procures plants. Hinkley Point C gas been let out to EDF (French government owned) in a PFI style contract where we as consumers pay for it over the coming years. I am not sure if that covers project over runs as yet again, another major UK infrastructure project has been hammered by legal and planning challenges. And as @redfanman mentioned, a deal with Hitachi fell through for a new plant on Anglesey.

The UK is investing in SME’s. One is planned for Anglesey. Financially they do not make sense. But from building an industry perspective that does have some merit. Rolls Royce are building vessels now.

Technology wise I would like to think we’re in a better place to deal with “waste”. Fuel was previously under utilised, i.e. it still had lots of energy left in it. Better built plants, no on site cooling and processing etc. Better discharge control. There is also a newish regulatory framework in place on what to do with nuclear facilities post operational life.

Also worth noting that the government is seriously looking at planning laws and how industries such as nuclear are regulated.

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That problem with nuclear is that the lead times are very long. Renewables can be brought on line much faster and datacentres have big batteries and UPS built in, so it isn’t such a problem.

Whether you could scale that to the mega-datacentres that you would require is another matter.

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These data centres are enormously energy hungry though. The Norwegian government okayed a fucking Tik Tok centre (lots of cash in that) and it directly hurts our ability to upscale munitions prouction, as necessary during these times and have caused a political scandal and countless newspaper articles.

It’s obscene how much these data centres use.

Now, the TikTok centre probably won’t affect Norwegian ammo production (because solutions), but it will give people in southern Norway higher energy prices

I don’t think it’s wise to build such centres if the Uk is already struggling with energy production


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They shoehorn this rhetoric at every opportunity

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That’s done all the time and has marginal effect. Russia isn’t a closed society and gets a lot of western impulses. But it has nationalism as a reigning political force and that is a powerful shield against external propaganda.
You should also note that most Russian disinformation targets their own society and not countries abroad, meaning that if Russian propaganda is effective abroad, it is far more powerful domestically. And this (as well as the incredibly chauvinistic irredentist culture in Russia, where imperialism is glorified in their culture) is why around 75-80% of all civilian Russians support the invasion of Ukraine, despite high losses in manpower and increased cost of living.

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She really is a vacant chair, isn’t she?

As well as a massive cunt.

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You’re being far too kind


Yep, chairs are useful

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Another one trying to cash in.

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In the 60’s and 70’s taxes were also very high. UK Government investment was about 4.5% of GDP and Private investment about 13 or 14%. From Thatcher onwards the drive for deregulation has seen the government’s spending on investment fall to about 1.5% of GDP while that of the Private Sector fall to around 8.5%.

The problems faced today are not so much from higher taxes but the lack of investment made prior to it coming to power, both by government and private sector when there was plenty of opportunity to do so when interest rates where lower than this year.

While higher costs on businesses from the budgets held under this government may have been a factor on increasing current unemployment rates there are other factors at play here. We tend to have relatively lower unemployment than other economies because historically our labour costs are lower, so companies tend to rely more on labour instead of investing in capital. As those costs rise, companies may look to use less labour and invest in more machines instead.

And, the flip side of companies choosing capital over labour is that it usually improves productivity, that feeds economic growth.

One only has to see all the talk about AI and the potential benefits it can have to stripping out costs for businesses to see that some of what we are witnessing could also be the initial impact from the companies investing in that new technology.

Another point I find interesting right now is Data. ONS have had growing problems since Covid in gathering reliable data as quickly as it used to. This has impacted the reliability, which impacts the quality of forecasts organisations make with it.

Since Labour came to power forecasts have frequently under forecast growth - revisions have I think mostly been upwards. People often pay less attention to the revisions which happen a month or two later. But these forecasts have a significant impact on the governments actions and room to manoeuvre. So it struggles to make the sort of investments into infrastructure quickly enough to get consumer spending and Private Sector investment back to the levels that would turn things round faster.

For example all the talk pre budget of a hole in government finances came about because of cuts the government didn’t make to benefits (£5bn), rise in borrowing costs (higher inflationary expectations some of which caused by events in the US- another £5bn) and then a whacking £15-20bn from forecasts (or even as much as £30bn I think in some earlier ones) arguing that productivity/ growth will be slower in 4-5 years time than previously forecast. So, not necessarily something happening today but may or may not happen over a period of a few years.

(If forecast growth had remained at 3.75% instead of being cut to 3.5% the government would have had a forecast surplus of about ÂŁ47bn in 2030/31.)

Yet, look at what those forecasts such as that by the OBR were also assuming over the next 4 or 5 years;

  • low investment (despite upgrading its forecasts this year for private and public sector investment by 2% to 2.75%, it forecast investment falling by 0.4% next year and an increase of 1% per year afterwards. Business investment reportedly grew 6% this year),
  • Wage growth of around 2%
  • Average rate of interest rates on mortgages within the economy above 5% (currently below 4%)
    – Bond Yields above 5% (recent 10 year bond rates were 4.4%).

But it also sees inflation falling to the Bank of England’s target of 2% for most of that period, so expected Interest rates - and that on mortgages and bonds should also fall shouldn’t it?

Falling rates of interest on savings is likely to lead to people spending more. Throw in the other taxes or changes within the budget to disincentivize saving and it may even be seen as a deliberate attempt to promote growth.

With most of the tax changes not due to come in until the end of Parliament, if the economy does grow faster than these forecasts have anticipated, the government will have plenty of opportunity to reverse many of them.

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WTF, I seem unable to read BBC webpages now without a paid subscription

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Gotta raise that $10,000,000,000 somehow.

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Honestly Im surprised they lasted this long giving it away for free to foreigners in the the paywall era but its precisely because they supposedly had a different model that I feel it is such an affront to ask me for this money now

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Strange, I have changed VPN to various locations and not had this from any location

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I think its specific to the US. And it seems to only cover news not their sport (which they seemingly dont consider news)

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Not sure as I tried multipe front page articales using locations in Aus, NZ, USA, Japan and Spain.

All worked for me

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Completely missing the point of a world service there.

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World Service is 1 of the features that will apparently remain free

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Is that like the World Series? :rofl: