UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Dont know about the fires across Europe, but the allegations are not so much about the fires but the nature of the relationship allegedly with the pm

Follow back to where those smears/rumours originated from and you will probably find your answer.

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What is the story?

It’s the trial of the men accused of committing arson against property owned by Keir Starmer:

It looks like there is a superinjunction regarding something.

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I honestly don’t think we do, not with AI being available to do what it can.

I feel I know the answer, but that isn’t happening either.

I was reading, in a cursory manner the thread this morning, and it dawned on me that the conversation between Mascot and Lynch, can and probably should by now, be classified as English Social Realism and no longer a political debate.
The literature has variable quality though :wink:

Have you guys considered getting together and making a compendium of your long conversations ? Share the profit and all :slight_smile:

That’s all I have to say :stuck_out_tongue:

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I’d much prefer to get together with Lynch to talk about the football to be honest.

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I can well understand that.

Note, I wasn’t criticising any of you. It’s just my observation where I attempted some humour. It has kind of moved into the territory of the Social Realism genre.

I’ve come to the conclusion recently (way too late to avoid being an idiot) that most political or associated discussion is pretty pointless, not so much from here I might add but generally.

To me, there feels like there’s very little ā€œprofitā€ to be made. I’m not changing anyone’s views, there’s no glorious victory to be had in proving someone wrong (if I ever could), and I’m certainly not gaining anything much from it.

Learning something, is certainly useful, and that’s where this community is great, but honestly, even if elections swing wildly, nothing will fundamentally change in the way we work on this planet. And that is ultimately destructive.

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You are right. If political conversations were held by everyone in the knowledge that no-one will be swayed by our respective arguments, it would be far healthier. As you say, the key interest of these threads is the information we can gather from here. Everyone then can make his or her own mind up.

It would be fine though if from time to time, said information wasn’t only an alibi for our confirmation-bias. We are all guilty of it at times.

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It feels like the stakes are so high, and that is probably part of the issue. And in certain things they potentially are, depending on your view of science for example.

But we seem to have lost the evidence of truth, and even then the entire system is so broken for the vast majority of people there’s no way we’re turning this tanker round at the moment.

Oh well, there’s another conspiracy theory up in smoke. Ongoing coverage of the PM arson trial:

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-arson-trial-three-men-accused-of-fire-attacks-at-homes-linked-to-prime-minister-13537908

I’d be interested to know what @Magnus makes of this, at least in terms of the motivation. Using gullible Ukrainians to commit a crime against the PM would be a useful way of trying to reduce UK support for Ukraine. I suspect that some of the other noise around the case is simply flushing out the Putinists.

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I know a few of us work in HE and have discussed the sector in here before…

Thought this was worth a post…

The judge is pretty blunt about the actions of the OfS here…pretty embarrassing for them given the initial decision and the subsequent fine was much lauded as striking a blow for freedom of speech.

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It sounds like a typical GRU operation. The goal is quite likely political sabotage, yeah. With the increased benefit of creating a sense of uncertainty and insecurity.
It’s calibrated to not provoke a response in regards to sanctions.

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Abhorrent behaviour by the police

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:+1:t2:

Let me know the date of the next council meeting and the address of the Village hall and I will try my best to get there :joy:.

I agree the subject should be strictly football. I wouldn’t want us to end up arguing and ruining the areas healthy crime statistics.

On a serious note. I can imagine we both end up banging our head on a brick wall, upon reading the other’s replies. But I do enjoy them…at times :+1:t2:

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A good post.

I know that people on this thread will almost never agree with anything I say, but I find that this works for me at times because it encourages me/forces me to research the point because I know I will get picked up on any anomalies, so from that point I agree it is useful.

As you say, proving someone wrong to me offers no value, where does that get anyone? In my opinion to be open to the potential of being wrong or looking at something from another persons perspective is more rewarding.

This is why I find Politics so backwards. Every Shadow Party spends the whole of the Governments Term trying to prove them wrong or call them out and sadly the Government will spend the majority of the Term defending themselves. Who actually wins?
The Government may stick with a policy that hasn’t worked, because, to be seen as wrong or making a ā€œU-turnā€ on something makes you look weak even if failing to do so is detrimental to the Country.
The Shadow parties may actually agree with some of the Governments policies but are so keen to be in power, will pick at and create faults. Often over compensating on something in their Policy to resolve it, something they know they will not achieve.

I do not see any real leaders in our Political Parties, so sadly we will continue down the path you refer to.

Spot on :+1:t2: