The Labour policy is about taxing farm inheritance and only applies to estates being inherited over a very generous threshold. This is clearly targeted at exceeding wealthy, land owning farmers.
Labour is not increasing tax on average farmers, and I’m not suggesting they should.
I don’t any antipathy towards farmers.
The fucking whining about VAT on public schools from privileged people is nauseating. After a decade of squeezing poor, vulnerable, disabled people until the pip’s squeak it is absolutely telling on the character of the very wealthy to moan like fuck about the first suggestion they should pay a bit as well.
I’m sure your brother is not super rich, but if he is paying for two kids to go to private school is sure as hell isn’t on the breadline.
I totally understand that some people ‘make sacrifices’ (although I remain somewhat sceptical about what those sacrifices might be) to send their kids to private school. But a great deal more people are making sacrifices so their kids can eat.
Ah right. They work hard. Of course they do.
I’ve always marvelled at the ability of well off people to be utterly convinced that they are the only ones who put a shift in.
That’s funny, cos I don’t recall expressing any resentment towards farmers, or suggesting everyone sending their kids to public school are offshoring money.
Why, it’s almost like he’s deliberating misrepresenting people’s opinions to make the easily to challenge!
The UK were definitely part of the conversation because the EU was looking to all EU members to fund the bailout, not just those in the Eurozone. Cameron eventually got agreement from EU leaders in 2010, and again in 2015 when the EU wanted to use an existing stabilization fund to help Greece, that the UK would not pay directly towards the bailout - instead it’s contributions would be via the IMF.
But I thought the UK had no power in the EU?
is that legit?
in australia private schools ( your public) still have an allocation of money per student put towards them…
its quite a fundamental debate , my kids go to a catholic school, im not a coked up ad exec. who lights the fire place with stacks of hundreds.
i pay extra becuase i want my kids to have a better education, some people have suggested religeous and private school should have no funding, or further funding, and al the money given to the state…the flaw in that debate is that school fees go up in the private sector and everyone rushes back to the state sector, overburdening the system…
im far from elitist, but ive had my fair few accusations thrown at me for having the temerity to want my kids to have the same funding as any other kid in the school system.
in australia, if you fiddle with the private sector too much, you’ll stuff the whole school eco system up…i dont understand why people cant register that…
It’s not a topic I have introduced. You brought it up in part 3, implying that the increase in UK Billionaires was purely down to dodgy deals over Covid and implied that the demographic of the Billionaires were Tories.
I provided a graph to demonstrate that Billionaires have increased across the world as a whole, not solely in the UK which you chose to ignore. Mascot and yourself brought up the topic again in part 4 and again implied they were all Tories.
I understand that you are Australian, so I used them as a comparison, to highlight again that it is not just a UK issue, and surely you can’t blame the Tories for the increase of billionaires in a different country.
The one thing that we both agree on is the rising levels of inequality. It is shocking that in a world which is (predominantly) trying to work together, creating trade deals, improved economic markets, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
It’s not a result of a Tory Government, it’s a result of all Governments and Opposition parties worldwide. The one problem I have, is that we live in a world in which we view ourselves as more educated, more understanding, believing in the values of others. However, in terms of inequality, we are no better than any of our ancestors.
On this thread, the majority support the EU, support Labour that’s fine but if you remove all the distraction of policies they are no different to the Tories, It is all elitism, just spun differently. FFS Tony Blair’s son Euan is worth £375m and is an MBE on the back of a business that has never reported a profit.
You don’t understand though do you. You just associate everyone in a certain demographic at their stereotypical worst. All Farmers aren’t Clarkson, all parents sending their children to private schools aren’t squirrelling their money to off shore accounts.
You don’t know my brother, you don’t know the hours he works, or his financial situation, you just assume.
Yes, there are sadly too many parents who are living in poverty, who make sacrifices, working more than one job at long hours, and that is the real issue.
Why do you cherry pick your points all the time, Starmer received benefit of private accommodation for his Son to study for his GCSE’s, off a Billionaire donor - who probably has money avoiding tax in an off shore account - speculated at the value of £20,000. This money could have covered a Teachers salary for a period of time, helping a number of children living in poverty but it wasn’t was it? It was used to allow one privileged persons son a bit of peace and quiet for two weeks, to study.
I appreciate that Starmer may not be the only person guilty of this and that it may happen across all parties, some more guilty of it than others, but really…
You are correct, I was thinking about the UK’s refusal to contribute the UK’s part of the Eurozone funding.
However, I still disagree that they played a large part in the bailouts. The UK itself was under austerity measures as part of the banking crisis. From a quick search, it seems to be Germany and France who were the main voices, I think they also forced Greece into agreeing a deal by refusing to honour a payout unless they did so.
Nb. I haven’t fact checked this, so I could be wrong.
Yes it is legit, they are self funded by Tuition fees.
As I said, there is probably a small affect, like the 20% VAT break, which has now been removed and I think I read something about Charity status.
I am all for the Private schools contributing as they are financially successful from it, as I implied not all children who attend private schools have coked up, parents burning cash to warm their houses up 
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Yes but the Tax is based on the value of the estate, which includes land. Farming equipment is usually more expensive, I’m not sure whether it includes livestock but their value is predominantly on paper,
Farmers tend to pass their land onto the next generation, rarely do the children sell up. Maybe, have a time frame where Tax is applied if the land is sold.
I am pretty sure if the families are forced to sell up it won’t be another Farmer buying the land, which could have a knock on affect to the local economy and rural life.
Look, I’m pretty certain there will be some loophole found to negate the tax, but I would be interested to know how many Farms are inherited per year and what it would bring in.
I personally believe it gives the Government more problems than it solves. You now have a loud mouth (right side politically), with a high level of exposure making a noise, which is then emphasised by the media and leads to protests. It’s just a badly thought out policy, which has now left Labour in a position where they can not back down to save face.
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I don’t recall doing that?
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You mean the rise based on sensationalised stories that turn out to have little bearing in truth and are often manufactured precisely for their outrage values? You ignore the fact that the “problems” regarding immigration are constantly blown out of proportion or even manufactured (see the asylum system backlog) to create precisely that kind of perception to keep or get right-wing parties in power.
Show me in all of that where I have said “the rise in support for right wing politics across Europe” is nothing to worry about, or anywhere close to that.
I was going to ask what the hell the Auditors were doing during this time and then read this:
The roots of the audit crisis – described by one expert as a “public administration disaster” – date back to the former local government secretary Eric Pickles’s 2015 abolition of the Audit Commission, which provided oversight of council finances and audit, and create a private market in auditing local authority accounts.
Oops…
And I have never fucking said they are. This is a classic Strawman tactic.
There is no point talking to you if you are going to continue to deploy bad faith arguments.
I think we should stop arguing with him. He’s doing this me too. It’s infuriating.
Having spoken to @Lynch04 over private messages before, I don’t think he’s doing this consciously and in bad faith.
Fixed it for you. Austerity was / is a political choice.
What’s his excuse then?