Yeah, I thought we debated this a few weeks back. I made a point about the rise in support for right wing politics across Europe. You dismissed it as nothing to worry about, I then made a subtle point that history tells a different story.
So what’s your point?
Yes, did you not read my post? I thought I highlighted it quite clearly. In fact the post provides figures as to how many Billionaires there are in Australia. Maybe, I should have used CAPITAL LETTERS to emphasis this detail.
I don’t think the UK was part of the conversation as they were not a member of the Eurozone, and were not financially involved in the bailout.
Greeces debt ratio to GDP is 160%, it will take them until 2060 to pay off the debt. Yes, there are reports of financial irregularities, however, the Eurozone allowed the situation to spiral.
The petition is so easily compromised. I remember making a point to a friend of mine regarding the petition for a second referendum on Brexit. I set up 4 different email accounts, providing different postcodes all were unchallenged.
In the end, Labour and Starmer won the Election. People need to respect this and that tough decisions need to be made.
Whilst I agree with idea of the Wealthy being taxed more. I do find your resentment to Farmers as quite strange.
Farms/farmers are predominantly asset rich, but their earnings and profit margins are quite low. They often work long hours, with higher than normal physical labour in order to keep their business afloat, this is something that should be respected, rather than assuming every farmer is a replica of Jeremy Clarkson.
Regarding Public schools, two of my nieces go to a public school but I can guarantee my brother is definitely not offshoring any money. But again, it just follows a common rhetoric of your views being based on assumption.
Taxes on public schools does not affect me directly so it’s not something that would affect my vote. However, public schools are self funded and so have little to no financial burden on the Government. Increase the tax on the schools maybe but not on the parents and fees. A lot of parents work hard to put their children into public schools, probably because of the poor education system we have, all parties are accountable.
Additionally, is it not double standards, hypocrisy, that Labour have applied these taxes, in light of Starmer’s son receiving free accommodation to a speculated value of £20k, from a Billionaire Labour peer - just so he can study for his GCSE’s in peace and quiet. I suppose Lord Alli, is just one of those generous billionaires, that made his money honestly as he is not a Tory, never greased the palms of anyone and doesn’t hold any money in off shore accounts.
As, I have said it doesn’t affect me personally, I just don’t agree with the notion that applying tax on public schools is hitting the super rich, what is an extra 20% to them, when they are saving 20% on millions.
I don’t recall doing that?
My point is that right-wing economic policies lead to income inequality, hence your statement that “all countries have a wealth division/Government issues” is a distractoin at best.
Yes, I read your post.
It contains a pointless non-sequitur about Australian billionaires, a topic you have introduced for God knows why.
Interesting to see that the wealth of Australian billionaires is also increasing as inequality is worsening…
Who knew?
Report from 2024 available below.
https://povertyandinequality.acoss.org.au/inequality/
Ecco…if you think this is fine, whatever, I don’t give a shit, I’ll just think you’re a cunt. UK, US, Australia, wherever…the vast wealth of billionaires is a blight on the twenty-first century…I hope it reaches a tipping point and we lop off their heads.
The Labour policy is about taxing farm inheritance and only applies to estates being inherited over a very generous threshold. This is clearly targeted at exceeding wealthy, land owning farmers.
Labour is not increasing tax on average farmers, and I’m not suggesting they should.
I don’t any antipathy towards farmers.
The fucking whining about VAT on public schools from privileged people is nauseating. After a decade of squeezing poor, vulnerable, disabled people until the pip’s squeak it is absolutely telling on the character of the very wealthy to moan like fuck about the first suggestion they should pay a bit as well.
I’m sure your brother is not super rich, but if he is paying for two kids to go to private school is sure as hell isn’t on the breadline.
I totally understand that some people ‘make sacrifices’ (although I remain somewhat sceptical about what those sacrifices might be) to send their kids to private school. But a great deal more people are making sacrifices so their kids can eat.
Ah right. They work hard. Of course they do.
I’ve always marvelled at the ability of well off people to be utterly convinced that they are the only ones who put a shift in.
That’s funny, cos I don’t recall expressing any resentment towards farmers, or suggesting everyone sending their kids to public school are offshoring money.
Why, it’s almost like he’s deliberating misrepresenting people’s opinions to make the easily to challenge!
The UK were definitely part of the conversation because the EU was looking to all EU members to fund the bailout, not just those in the Eurozone. Cameron eventually got agreement from EU leaders in 2010, and again in 2015 when the EU wanted to use an existing stabilization fund to help Greece, that the UK would not pay directly towards the bailout - instead it’s contributions would be via the IMF.
But I thought the UK had no power in the EU?
is that legit?
in australia private schools ( your public) still have an allocation of money per student put towards them…
its quite a fundamental debate , my kids go to a catholic school, im not a coked up ad exec. who lights the fire place with stacks of hundreds.
i pay extra becuase i want my kids to have a better education, some people have suggested religeous and private school should have no funding, or further funding, and al the money given to the state…the flaw in that debate is that school fees go up in the private sector and everyone rushes back to the state sector, overburdening the system…
im far from elitist, but ive had my fair few accusations thrown at me for having the temerity to want my kids to have the same funding as any other kid in the school system.
in australia, if you fiddle with the private sector too much, you’ll stuff the whole school eco system up…i dont understand why people cant register that…
It’s not a topic I have introduced. You brought it up in part 3, implying that the increase in UK Billionaires was purely down to dodgy deals over Covid and implied that the demographic of the Billionaires were Tories.
I provided a graph to demonstrate that Billionaires have increased across the world as a whole, not solely in the UK which you chose to ignore. Mascot and yourself brought up the topic again in part 4 and again implied they were all Tories.
I understand that you are Australian, so I used them as a comparison, to highlight again that it is not just a UK issue, and surely you can’t blame the Tories for the increase of billionaires in a different country.
The one thing that we both agree on is the rising levels of inequality. It is shocking that in a world which is (predominantly) trying to work together, creating trade deals, improved economic markets, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
It’s not a result of a Tory Government, it’s a result of all Governments and Opposition parties worldwide. The one problem I have, is that we live in a world in which we view ourselves as more educated, more understanding, believing in the values of others. However, in terms of inequality, we are no better than any of our ancestors.
On this thread, the majority support the EU, support Labour that’s fine but if you remove all the distraction of policies they are no different to the Tories, It is all elitism, just spun differently. FFS Tony Blair’s son Euan is worth £375m and is an MBE on the back of a business that has never reported a profit.
You don’t understand though do you. You just associate everyone in a certain demographic at their stereotypical worst. All Farmers aren’t Clarkson, all parents sending their children to private schools aren’t squirrelling their money to off shore accounts.
You don’t know my brother, you don’t know the hours he works, or his financial situation, you just assume.
Yes, there are sadly too many parents who are living in poverty, who make sacrifices, working more than one job at long hours, and that is the real issue.
Why do you cherry pick your points all the time, Starmer received benefit of private accommodation for his Son to study for his GCSE’s, off a Billionaire donor - who probably has money avoiding tax in an off shore account - speculated at the value of £20,000. This money could have covered a Teachers salary for a period of time, helping a number of children living in poverty but it wasn’t was it? It was used to allow one privileged persons son a bit of peace and quiet for two weeks, to study.
I appreciate that Starmer may not be the only person guilty of this and that it may happen across all parties, some more guilty of it than others, but really…
You are correct, I was thinking about the UK’s refusal to contribute the UK’s part of the Eurozone funding.
However, I still disagree that they played a large part in the bailouts. The UK itself was under austerity measures as part of the banking crisis. From a quick search, it seems to be Germany and France who were the main voices, I think they also forced Greece into agreeing a deal by refusing to honour a payout unless they did so.
Nb. I haven’t fact checked this, so I could be wrong.
Yes it is legit, they are self funded by Tuition fees.
As I said, there is probably a small affect, like the 20% VAT break, which has now been removed and I think I read something about Charity status.
I am all for the Private schools contributing as they are financially successful from it, as I implied not all children who attend private schools have coked up, parents burning cash to warm their houses up 
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Yes but the Tax is based on the value of the estate, which includes land. Farming equipment is usually more expensive, I’m not sure whether it includes livestock but their value is predominantly on paper,
Farmers tend to pass their land onto the next generation, rarely do the children sell up. Maybe, have a time frame where Tax is applied if the land is sold.
I am pretty sure if the families are forced to sell up it won’t be another Farmer buying the land, which could have a knock on affect to the local economy and rural life.
Look, I’m pretty certain there will be some loophole found to negate the tax, but I would be interested to know how many Farms are inherited per year and what it would bring in.
I personally believe it gives the Government more problems than it solves. You now have a loud mouth (right side politically), with a high level of exposure making a noise, which is then emphasised by the media and leads to protests. It’s just a badly thought out policy, which has now left Labour in a position where they can not back down to save face.
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I don’t recall doing that?
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You mean the rise based on sensationalised stories that turn out to have little bearing in truth and are often manufactured precisely for their outrage values? You ignore the fact that the “problems” regarding immigration are constantly blown out of proportion or even manufactured (see the asylum system backlog) to create precisely that kind of perception to keep or get right-wing parties in power.