UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

[Klopptimist]

More importantly it would be unfair.

[Lynch04]

I live in Birmingham and the councils finance control is shocking. Birmingham City Council, lost a court case about equal pay many moons ago, sold the National Exhibition Centre, ICC, Genting Arena and the Barclay card arena for £1.1bn to cover the bill but apparently they still owe money and no one knows how much. I think I read somewhere that they were using the same system as the Post Office.
I can imagine it is replicated across many local councils, as your link highlights.

[Lynch04]

@redalways

Show me in all of that where I have said “the rise in support for right wing politics across Europe” is nothing to worry about, or anywhere close to that.

I quoted your exact words.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@redalways

Show me in all of that where I have said “the rise in support for right wing politics across Europe” is nothing to worry about, or anywhere close to that.

I think we should stop arguing with him. He’s doing this me too. It’s infuriating.

How???
I’m not arguing, I’m debating and giving an alternative opinion to your views. If that’s infuriating you then give your “head a wobble”. Do you think that you don’t infuriate me? I am happy to stop debating with you as you cannot accept being challenged. @redfanman corrected me yesterday and I acknowledged that.
However, when you can’t answer you move the point to put a change on the rhetoric of the conversation. Suggesting you ignore me, calling me a Strawman and asking @redalways “what’s his excuse then” is all signs of someone who doesn’t like to be challenged, trying to shut down an opinion/voice, that may actually have (not stating) a more balanced view than the Echo chamber you like to live in.

[Lynch04]

@Noo_Noo

@Lynch04

The UK itself was under austerity measures by choice of the tory government that used it to weaken public services and increase privatisation.

Fixed it for you. Austerity was / is a political choice

Thank you for correcting me. We won’t go into the reasons as to why austerity measures had to be made. I accept bad decisions were made, some may argue were forced into.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

Yet again, the issue here is that people view their contribution to education as purely being about educating their own children.

This leads the mistaken belief that if you don’t have kids you shouldn’t have to pay, or the idea that the state should contribute to the private education of your children.

We all benefit from creating a capable, employable and educated population. The economy is enhanced. Crime is reduced. Reliance on benefits and welfare is lessened.

That’s why, regardless of how you chose to educate your own children, you contribute to state education.

It’s exactly the same argument around health. I don’t care if you have private healthcare. You aren’t paying into the NHS for you. You pay into it to create a healthy population, and everyone - including you - benefits from that.

It’s like when you hear businesspeople justifying tax dodging because the don’t use public services. Yeah? Well who is paying to educate your workforce? Who is keeping them healthy? Who is paying for the roads your lorries drive on? Who is subsidising there energy that you use? Who is paying for your rubbish to be collected? Just the simple matter of paying to run the society you operate within?

People have very little sense of how they benefit from public services and totally misunderstand what the point is.

See, you do have some good points

[Noo_Noo]

@Lynch04

@Noo_Noo

@Lynch04

The UK itself was under austerity measures by choice of the tory government that used it to weaken public services and increase privatisation.

Fixed it for you. Austerity was / is a political choice

Thank you for correcting me. We won’t go into the reasons as to why austerity measures had to be made. I accept bad decisions were made, some may argue were forced into.

Sure, there was a problem with the public finances because of the 2008 crash but we were working our way out if it. Labour were finished back then so the tories came in and basically shut everything down, shrunk everything and ripped the heart out if it all and as a result really didnt achieve much.

We’re still suffering from decisions made back then. It was a choice and not a forced one. Valid perhaps but clearly didnt work in restoring health to the economy. We actually lost far far more than we gained from it. Brexit rose from this decision.

[redalways]

Yes, but there’s nothing where I said anything like what you have said.

[Mascot]

@Lynch04

How???
I’m not arguing, I’m debating and giving an alternative opinion to your views.

No you aren’t.

You’ve twice said words to the effect that I hate all farmers and think everyone who sends their kids to private school is offshoring wealth levels of rich

I have never said this. I’ve corrected you and you still persist with this strawman.

This isn’t wanting an echo chamber. It just expecting the basic courtesy that if you want to challenge my views, you at least represent those views fairly. As @redalways is also finding, this seems to be a trend.

If you can’t or won’t do that, and you don’t seem to want to, there is no point continuing.

[Mascot]

@Lynch04

See, you do have some good points

That isn’t helpful.

[redalways]

Nigel Farage suggests MPs should debate rolling back abortion limit

Yes, let’s keep importing all that shite from the USA.

[cynicaloldgit]

Pity we can’t roll it back 61 years and have him aborted.

Cunt.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@Lynch04

See, you do have some good points

That isn’t helpful.

They were good points, did I contest any of them?

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@Dane

So it seems.
But as I said, an ideal opportunity to try and address that has been completely overlooked by the working man’s party.

Not true. Taxing farm inheritance and public schools is essentially targeting the wealth that the super rich can’t offshore.

Probably could have done more, but sadly any attempts to just increase basic taxation for the super rich is only going to be futile.

@Mascot

@Lynch04

I’m not arguing, I’m debating and giving an alternative opinion to your views.

No you aren’t.

You’ve twice said words to the effect that I hate all farmers and think everyone who sends their kids to private school is offshoring wealth levels of rich

I have quoted your response to Dane above, regarding offshoring wealth.

Interpret my words how you want, but I don’t think I used words to suggest hate. I definitely suggested you assumed quite a lot.

I am not on here to offend/annoy/troll anyone on this forum.
Please don’t take my comments personally, but I do find your comments very “Pot Kettle”. In my opinion you have a very aggressive debating/posting style, Infact another poster alluded to it - almost like a ‘Thats how he is’ kind of comment. So, I don’t know why you have taken this ‘Mom he is picking on me’ attitude.
I always try and be respectful of people’s views, I accept that at times I may have responded in a similar tone to the poster, hence my use of “Give your head a wobble”, which is something you said to me a while back.
Additionally, I always try to air my views fairly. Was it not you who dismissed all Leavers as basing their opinion on a quick Google search, whilst Remainers were all educated. I suppose that is fair….

Anyhow, i am not trying to be personal. I just believe you should reflect on your own style/actions before calling someone else out.

[Lynch04]

@Noo_Noo

Sure, there was a problem with the public finances because of the 2008 crash but we were working our way out if it. Labour were finished back then so the tories came in and basically shut everything down, shrunk everything and ripped the heart out if it all and as a result really didnt achieve much.

We’re still suffering from decisions made back then. It was a choice and not a forced one. Valid perhaps but clearly didnt work in restoring health to the economy. We actually lost far far more than we gained from it. Brexit rose from this decision.

[Rambler]

Louise Haigh quits as transport secretary over phone offence

[Mascot]

@Lynch04

Anyhow, i am not trying to be personal. I just believe you should reflect on your own style/actions before calling someone else out.

I’m not the only person who has expressed frustration that you have misreprenyed their views. So maybe you are the one who should be reflecting.

[RedWhippet]

That seems a bit odd. It sounds like she was given the boot, but they wanted to give her an opportunity to resign.

[Mascot]

@RedWhippet

That seems a bit odd. It sounds like she was given the boot, but they wanted to give her an opportunity to resign.

This does feel like a genuine mistake based on the statement.

If the version of events is real, that is - it feels quite strange that Police would press charges. I had a similar thing years ago when I got burgled. I said a camera had been stolen, and a couple of days later I found it. They just amended the report.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that the police would press charges because a distressed woman reported a phone was stolen during a mugging that she later found.

It feels like there is more than this going on.

[redalways]

The article also claims that she had already declared it when appointed to the shadow cabinet, so I’m wondering if she quit because it’s surfaced in reporting now, or if there’s some deeper reason.