The city of Liverpool is very different today from how it was 200 years ago.
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I wouldnât even bother engaging. This constant need to play the devilâs advocate by this one poster in particular got old a long time ago, and one of the main reasons I visit the forum so rarely these days.
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Your logic appears to be that because something bad happened in the past then it is OK for it to happen now. Slavery is relevant today because firstly, it still goes on; we have modern slavery laws which are meant to prevent this but the current government donât particularly regard them as important. Secondly, historic slavery has ongoing effects to this day in that the descendents those who suffered under the system have ingrained poverty that has come from the fact that there was never any attempt to integrate those freed but displaced people into society.
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Juan Mata has just been interviewed on Radio 4, in relation to a new art exhibition he is helping to organise in Manchester and that opens today.
Seems like a really nice bloke; pity that he played for that lot.
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On the plus side, he played really badly for them. Maybe it was a kind of quiet protest 
every successful empire is built on backs of slavery. Itâs not about what happened 300 - 400 years ago. Itâs about whether the countries still behave like what they did 300 odd years ago in 2023.
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You were there ⌠
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When I do play devilâs advocate, I do say. I just donât follow the party line.
No, not at all. My point is that claiming Quatar are particularly unsuitable for us because of Liverpoolâs history is at odds with actual history.
The only person whoâs brought up Liverpoolâs history is you.
Everyone else is saying Qatarâs is a horrible regime now, and thatâs why people are against their potential ownership.
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Iâm perhaps missing something, but what has the Liverpool slave trade got to do with Liverpool Football Club?
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Yes, youâre missing something.
Liverpool the city was part of the slave trade a long time ago, so you as a Liverpool supporter must support modern day slavers.
What is hard to understand about that? @Klopptimist has explained it very clearly for us all.
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Ah I see. Pretty obvious when you put it that way Donât know what I was thinking.
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@ZinedineBiscan I was responding to this point. Making the observation that Liverpoolâs history is not exactly ethical or principled is hardly playing devilâs advocate.
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Well thatâs certainly one way of looking at it. Not my take obviously.
But you get a like for a decent gag.
i think we sometimes miss the âotherâ point when it comes to foreign ownershipâŚlets just say the ârepublic of dogoodestâ tried to buy LFC, id still be a noâŚas inâŚwhy would a club side in england want to be owned by a foreign COUNTRY
then you look at whats in it for the foreign countryâŚso lets take Abu Dhabi for instanceâŚwhy dont they concentrate on paying a living wage for immigrant labour which builds their âOasisâ in the desert. before trying to get worlds best practice at football, and âinvestingâ in the local economy.
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Can we add âcountryismâ to the âAll the bad ismsâ thread?
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I thought it was fairly clear that @cynicaloldgit was referring to the history of the club. As in modern fans simply flocking to whichever club is currently successful.
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Stories going around now that Utd are looking at Onana to replace De Gea.
EtH does deserve a lot of credit for the improvements we saw in them last season, but also left enough openings to question whether heâs got it in him to keep them improving. The fact Martinez, Malacia, and Anthony were his signings, and he spent a lot of credit with the club in pushing them to over extend themselves to sign Anthony and do so at that price, doesnt bode well for his eye for a player. Now going back yet again to someone heâs familiar withâŚitâs one step away from letting Kuyt and Maxi leave and brining in your old pal Borini
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