When the shit hits the fan, and they've got the wrong man, that's Amorim!

It’s literally just fans though, shouldn’t affect the club. They’re still gonna sell out the stadium every match. I think the toxicity is more to do with the nature of social media and people having outsized voices, and the ignorant masses’ penchant for putting too much stock in your average twat on the street’s opinion.

And sell it out to be fans who have been coaxed into a level of toxicity that doesn’t help.

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It’s funny how these ex players only call out pundits who’ve ‘not played the game’ when the pundits are being critical? What if an ‘ex player’ pundit and a ‘not ex player’ give the same negative opinion? Is the ‘ex player’s’ negative opinion valid, but a ‘non ex player’s’ opinion is not?

We’ve seen explayer pundits arguing over incidents after a match. Who’s opinion is valid and who’s isn’t. Parker needs to shut his trap. :nerd_face:

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Goldbridge is fine. Comment away, fella. He is as entitled to say what he thinks as any ex player.

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I quite like Goldbridge, I think he’s honest with his comments. Why shouldn’t he or any other fan for that matter, voice their opinions. The arrogance of Parker and Murphy is astounding.

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I just like watching Utd fans melt. It’s the complete shock that it could actually happen to them that gets me going.

Pretty simple, really.

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Yeah, it’s the confusion over how the obvious thing that is happening is happening.

I got it on the way down, those first few years after fergie being confused. But they’ve been shit for a decade and in that time have been run like morons leaving no reasonable hope for improvements. Yet, every year they look on in disbelief and ask themselves, “How could we, a team who have been shit for 10 years and spent another 200m on yet another bunch of shite, possibly be bad.”

Watching them be so confused over something so obvious is like watching a dog wake himself up with a loud fart and then being confused about where the noise came from.

Reminds me a bit of the Conservatives.

But they ain’t that bad.

Apollo?

I don’t think goldbridge is nearly as toxic as the AFTV guys. There’s levels in that toxicity and AFTV with their post match videos at the stadium itself made it much more toxic.

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I don’t either. Goldbridge is the only one i’ve see that i like - but that is only when Utd lose!

I’ve seen this arrogance with commentators / analysts in cricket matches as well. It’s almost like the analysts who are ex-sportsmen think that someone who’s not a player is eating into their money and hence the vitriol , condescension etc.

Goldbridge probably watches more football than quite a lot of ex players and he will have his opinion. People can agree with him or disagree with that opinion. That’s a different thing , but to look down on someone for not being a player is idiotic.

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I think its more a defence mechanism - they have played the game but do not want people to see how little of the game they truly understand.

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The advantage Goldbridge has over the likes of Spud-ead Murphy, and a no-mark like Parker… is that he has the chance to scan the comments of tens of thousands of subscribers, regarding football, incidents, and opinions. He only needs to sift out the common sense ones, and put those forward as the mood, or general consensus of the fans, well, his fanbase I suppose.
The pundits only value their own opinions… nothing else matters to them.
Goldbridge was spot-on re the VAR in the Spurs match because he has no-one to answer to… the pundits it must be remembered, have a paymaster that must be obeyed…

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It’s a huge blind spot when ex players assume that because they played at a high level, they can comment and analyze at a high level.

It is rare when an ex player raises the commentary/analyst bar. Michael Robinson did that years ago in Spain - all the more remarkable that he did it in his second language. He was a fella who should have had much more of a platform and more respect in the UK. RIP while I’m thinking of him.

Most ex players are there to be a familiar face, but they don’t really offer any insight or analysis that the average fan can’t see. When it’s a panel and they are all ex players, it’s often the blind leading the blind.

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Talk that with his 25% stake Ratcliff is going to try to exert influence on operations. Ordinarily you would think that would be a problem with people pulling in different directions, but the Glazers seem completely disinterested in doing any of that stuff so you could see them sitting back and letting him hire and fire how he wants. Stories so far is that the first change he wants to make is to bring in Paul Mitchell, the guy probably best known for working with Cortese to build Pochetino’s Southampton, and then went to Spurs with Poch.

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Creed?

RIP

Hamilton?

Prost? Senna?