When the shit hits the fan, and they've got the wrong man, that's Amorim!

Bbc have an article, clip from MOTD 2 where they big up Bruno.

I chuckled a bit, as agent Danny Murphy was selling the merits of this guy over the absolutely toxic atmosphere that he’s dead centre of.

They’ll keep him for sure.

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I don’t entirely trust my judgement on that right now, having seen what McTominay is capable of when put into a properly balanced and coherent system. A couple of years ago, Rashford would make the list, but I think he is just too far gone. Overall though, if I had to choose between this ManU squad and LFC 10/11, I would probably take the 10/11 side.

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Still doesnt rhyme and the tempo is still off, but this is your best one yet.

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Love this…hope Amorin tells RVN to fuck off after a few weeks and he upsets the players

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I think you mean Hojlund. I don’t rate him.

Garnacho is actually just shite. Showed promise as a teenager, but has become just a braindead selfish bellend who can’t score for toffee.

Mainoo looks to have the most potential, and Mazraoui has probably been their best player this season. We’ve yet to see the young CB Yoro that they laid a mint for, and Onana has actually been decent for them so far this season. So a couple of pieces in defense, the keeper, and a young CDM.

United desperately need goals though, and I don’t think any of their current front line are worth keeping.

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I think Hojlund is decent. He has all the right tools. I hope Amorim is decent enough to make them spend 700 million more for his 3-4-3, then gets sacked six months after that! :joy:

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I think Hojlund (yes I meant him) is a good young player, but in typical Utd style they paid too much for him and now he is expected to play at the level of a senior pro, when he should be on a development pathway.

They’ve just done the same with Yoro. Imagine if we’d dropped 70m on Quansah. Looked like an an elite prospect last year. This year he looks to have taken a step back.

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Yeah Onana is fine in a rebuild. Was one of about 2-3 I was going mention.

Wouldn’t write off Garnacho, lad has decent tools and is only 20.

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This article is a good example of what has gone wrong at Man Utd. Just consider the phrase, “Man Utd players want Ruud to stay as a connector, as they appreciate the way he communicates with them.”

Ugh.

I’m old school. Players play. That’s their lane.

The fact that the players are expressing such support for RVN probably makes his position untenable. Amorim, if he has anything about him, will come in, with his team, and shape it to his requirement, within the constraints, financial and otherwise, imposed on him from above.

He should not accept any constraint from the players, who, at first glance, downed tools for ETH and now appear to be putting in a shift for RVN.

Amorim will let it be known to the club that he doesn’t want RVN, and either they will get rid or he will do it himself if necessary, but that would be Ineos not looking after him. He can come in, thank RVN for the interim, wish him all the best, and then get on with his job.

If he doesn’t do that, he’s probably not the leader that group of players need.

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Hojlund has got 11 goals and 2 assists in 37 games for Utd. I watch them a lot and can’t think of a single game when I’ve thought this kid could be something. Bang fucking average in my book.

They have spent so much money on duds in the past that there will only be some room within PSR. They keep earning so much that they can always be fixed (edit, with good decisions) just not in one fell swoop.

So I expect Amorim to categorize the players ABC. The last group he gets rid of asap while he makes the first changes within PSR. The mid group he gets rid of in the mid term, as PSR allows. And so on.

The plan being to get them as competitive as he can in the short term - maybe next season solid Europa and a top four shout? And then after that, if things go well, they can be starting to think about looking higher again.

I can’t stand Man Utd and I hope it all falls apart again, but purely as a football fan, it will be interesting to see the measure of Amorim and what he will be able to do there.

I’m all in for those progressive off-time shit anyway.

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Jazz Club

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Very less players in the United main team that I do rate.

Mazraoui for one. Mainoo maybe.

Both of them wouldn’t get in our matchday squad though.

Possibly Onana, Dalot, Mazraoui, Hojlund and Mainoo. But juries out on all of them. The rest look utter shite. Bruno is obv a good player but a team morale vacuum. The worst captain I’ve ever seen

Amorim will be playing against better teams, better coaches and at a pace 100mph faster than anything he is used to. Fixture list will smother him… gone are the days of spending more time on the training ground, perfecting every small detail, and if he doesn’t have a change of tactics plan besides a, of b,c,d.e the guy will struggle - as soon as he plays the players he has, in the formation he favours, every team in the PL will have it sussed within weeks.
There are a lot of square pegs at Utd who are on lots of money. No doubt bad habits, lack of effort and discipline has crept into their persona… not going to be easy to get a reliable tune out of them consistently.
We watch with interest

Given all that I’ve heard about them…

In the short term doesn’t have to be that good, just enough to do a job for the team while the rebuild begins. I think last season his performances were let down by an unwillingness by team mates to pass him the ball - although maybe that is symptomatic of them too not rating him?

I don’t think Utd are in any worse a position in terms of personnel than we were when Klopp took over. There are reports of his first end of season review where he identified only Bobby and Lallana as players who had completely convinced him. Yet after just 2 summers of additions he got his side to the CL final. That was driven partially by transfer success (that team included 6 new players, and would have been 7 had Joel been fit), growth of some inherrited players whose importance was not immediately apparent (Hendo and Milly), but also the ability to find a role for a good sized group of players who were never going to be part of the destination but good enough to play a role through thattransition (see Can still playing 40 games in a season despite being on his way out of the door).

Utd have a squad full of players who are at least as good as that. The questions will be

  • can Amorim identify the path forward as quickly and clearly as Klopp did and start implementing it
  • will he be as well supported as Klopp was in terms of finding the right signings early on (Mane, Joel, Gini, Mo, Robbo, Virgil is an absurd hit rate to bring in over 2 season)
  • Klopp might not have inherited many he was completely sold on, but critically it did include Bobby. He was absolutely central to being able to implement Klopp’s vision from the get go, and Amorim will be hard pressed to find that sort of figure in the group he walks into.
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I think the culture behind the scenes is an even bigger problem than the quality of their players. Bruno said yesterday, “It is easier to get rid of a manager than 15 players.” The players know they’re more valuable to the club than the manager and stop trying when things go wrong.