I’m missing mubs
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Money making ideas for Jim seems to so far be “beg the government for money”
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Isn’t that Modern Business 101? 
Nationalise risk, while privatising profit.
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Amorim’s fixation on 3 4 3 formation highlights that he is tactically inflexible and poses the opinion that teams/coaches will develop strategies to take advantage of flaws in the system.
That is what I am loving regarding Arne, he tweaks our so called 4 2 1 3 formation all the time, whether through changing the position of the midfielders vertically, the full backs moving inside to offer an extra body in midfield or in the last couple of games getting Endo/Grav to play a hybrid centre back/no 6 role, the man and his staff are geniuses.
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I’ve got to ask. How did Ratcliffe make his millions / billions in the first place?
Thus far I’m not sure he could open a bank account.
Founded INEOS and bought and fixed distressed assets using high yield. He has plenty of distressed assets on his hands now. Low yield though.
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I did get a chuckle out of>
install a water mill under Sir Bobby stand.
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There’s a lot of adjacent land they could use. Who is going to pay for it? That’s the key.
Sir Jim will want public money. There’s no way that should happen. They have to pay for it themselves, only at that point, because of the existing debt piled onto them by the Glazer’s, servicing stadium debt on top will be a very tall order, especially if they want to continue to back the manager to be competitive on the pitch (stop laughing!)
I’m looking at the tea leaves and I still think they will end up being owned by someone from the Middle East who will foot the bill for a stadium, but it will be a vanity project for them, not the Glazer’s or Sir Jim.
Right now they are probably in the dreamy phase we were in, when Hicks and Gillette had plans drawn up for a new stadium. It was never going to be built, and certainly not by them.
I think there’s a few twists and turns ahead for Man Utd before they are playing in a new stadium.
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Slot took over a team with much more order, success, experience and good habits.
Amorim starts way behind that, a little bit where Klopp was in 2015. Or where Kenny was in 2011.
The story doesn’t begin and end with the 3-4-3 formation, it is relevant, but it’s not that important.
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Agree fully.
I think the formation doesnt work right now, but if he finds the right players and is given time to build a team, there isnt anything particularly wrong with a 343. Regarding in play flexibility, that can work with a 343, once a squad is built and understands the system. Often see them morph to 532s or 541s when a team is well put together.
The thing to look out for is always whether a club give time. They have consistently granted thier managers wishes regarding transfers over at United and again and again sacked managers. Its a systemic failure, which thus far is far from being fixed, and if anything, Ratcliffe has caused negative disruption along the way.
Long may it continue. I think Amorin is a decent manager but have no desire to see him succeed.
Yeah, I mean… football is much more than just putting players into positions of formations and just changing that until you find something that works.
It’s a fluid game, formations in reality change every second.
It’s phases of game, what do you do in possession and out of possession. In offensive transitions and defensive transitions. In set-pieces, starting from goal kicks, throw ins and corners.
United have really tried different things in last seasons with a lot of these players. If Amorim has decided that initially it’s best to try and change the formation immediately and try lift different phases of the game, that’s fair enough.
He said in an interview that he judges it’s the best thing to try immediately and then see at least slow progress, rather than be too careful with something (and different attempts) that’s not working anyway. Start now to get there in, I don’t know, a year or two or more.
Of course, if results start being that bad, you have to consider different things.
I said before Amorim took over that looking at the squad, it’s not like they don’t have the right fits to play that formation.
Okay, they don’t have an oustanding option on the left side, but it’s basically the same problem even if they played a formation with 4 at the back. Some even better sides have “holes” in an area.
It’s a whole different story building new principles in the middle of a season, when someone else did a pre-season (they might not be able to physically do what Amorim’s football requires before the end of next summer), you have injuries, low on confidence, bad results, etc.
I’ve heard a lot of rubbish said (and from pundits that I rate) particularly about the front 3, or 2 players behind/around the striker in that formation. Like, there’s no position for Fernandes in that formation… wow. What then, he’s only a #10 in a formation that plays with one #10 and that’s it?
It’s like only one type of player can do that role, it’s complete nonsense.
If that was true, then players would be really tied to a zone of 10 metres and that would be it. How come he plays different roles for Portugal then? And just to be clear, no I don’t think he can be a double pivot midfielder. But if we all agree he’s a #10 and/or a between the lines type of player, then of course he can be one of the ‘2’ in the forward line around a striker. Regardless if it’s left (probably something he’d prefer) or right (proved he can do it for Portugal).
Which is linked to their move to get Mount. They created such an inbalanced midfield selection in last years, having some too defensive midfielders who cannot get you going from deeper areas in a quality way and a bunch of too offensive minded ones (I know Eriksen plays deeper for a while now, but come on, he’s not Pirlo). What is lacking is a proper #8, a player in between the two groups.
You can have #10’s, inverted wingers, second strikers and even more often, have one type of player (let’s say, someone who could drop deeper to make it a 3 man midfield in some phases) and then another one (a more attacking player).
Just look at different teams playing different shapes of 3 at the back formations. Do we see always the same type of players in those positions behind or around the striker? No we don’t, of course we don’t.
Rashford, yeah, it’s a bit tricky. But not even so much because of the formation, but because he’s totally out of shape and form for a while now. A fit and in form Rashford could play the left sided supporting forward role.
But it’s easiest to put everything down to formations.
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There’s no way those lot should be looking at building a new stadium considering they’ve got one with the highest capacity in England (excluding Wembley).
Sure the roof leaks and the seats are bad. Do a renovation. And probably till then do a ground share with Shitty
It seems with Ten Hag, Manu tried a manager with a philosophy, but flexible and adapting, and burned by that experience, they probably wanted to try a manager with a philosophy, but less flexible and adapting.
We’ll see how it goes, and there’s a few years until they can potentially be back, assuming they are on the right path.
Looking at Arteta and Brendan Rodgers, you can get close, but ultimately fail. Pretty sure most of their fans would sign for this outcome in any case.
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Yeah, it was this apparent dogmatic adherence to a 3-4-3 that was the main reason I was against appointing him this summer when it seemed like it was on the cards.
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At this rate he’s getting the sack….
He’ll gut 5-6 players , be given some equally crap players and then be given the sack.
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Online United fans still think they are a big draw for signing players.
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