Not interested in an argument. If you or anyone else thought he was racist, take it up with him.
I did not perceive it like that, and already said what I thought.
Not looking for an argument, just interested in understanding your interpretation.
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I donât think that was clear. At all.
He could easily have made it clear thatâs who he was talking about.
Instead he referenced what âtheyâ had on the Taliban flag (which is merely Arabic scripture equivalent to In God We Trust). He referenced âtheirâ martyrs that âblow themselves up in concert halls full of childrenâ, which seems to be a reference to the Manchester bombing carried out by a British national of Libyan descent.
Whoever âtheyâ or âtheirâ is here, itâs not the Saudis.
Given he lives in France he could, of course, be referencing the Bataclan attacks although the concert goers there werenât children. The perpetrators were French, Belgium and Iraqi nationals with links to Syria, Libya and Morocco.
At what point is he referencing the Saudi regime? His opprobrium is self-evidently directed at something else, even if he opened with âFuck Saudi Arabiaâ.
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shahada is not a Wahabbist text.
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Sure, but in the context of the Saudi flag itâs underlined by a fucking sword. Which is quite fitting as under Saudi law apostasy is punishable by death.
Whatâs written on the flag is sort of irrelevant. Itâs an atrocious regime, drenched in blood and guilty of consciously exporting brutal terrorism around the Middle East as a part of their extremist interpretation of Islam.
When the Newcastle fans are dancing round with Saudi Flags, it isnât out of respect and reverence for the Shahada. It is celebrating the Saudi regime, and there is nothing to celebrate about these butchers.
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Which flag? The black one or the green one?
No need to answer. Iâm sure the one with the black background represents more than 35 million people.
No problem of being called racist here.
Also, not having a problem to talk about âarabic murderersâ or âmuslim murderersâ.
My username might be GermanRed, i might be born and live in Germany but I have a kurdish / yezidi background.
So be damn sure that i know what arabs / muslims have done to yezidis in the last 250 years. Not only to my ancestors but also to other minorities like christians and jews in that area.
Those 11 words bullshit on the flags has brought so much evil into this world - I am sick of it.
Still 2.500 yezidi girls missing from the 2014 genocide btw.
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Ok fair enough.
Parts of what he said could easily be interpreted as racist. I was just taking a more charitable, general approach with the whole of what was said, and at that point I took it all to mean something like this,
âIâm not happy with the Saudi leadership, the killings, the homophobia, the treatment of women, the extremist part of their religion, and Iâm not happy at all that the Prem have allowed them in.â
Going after their flag was taken, by me, as more of a comment on what the Saudi regime stands for and is, rather than a comment on one of the pillars of Islam, and the comparison with the dollar bill.
And if thereâs a bit of anger and inexact speech⌠well, itâs the internet!
So thatâs how I interpreted it.
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My take on the Newcastle fans dancing around with the Saudi flag is that they are jubilant Mike Ashley has gone, and they are looking forward to better times for their football club.
The politics of Saudi Arabia are barely on the radar for them.
Not saying thatâs right, but I donât take their flag waving as condoning the House of Saud.
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Well, they obviously havenât thought about it. Or maybe they have, and have decided theyâre fine with it all the murders.
I do find it ironic that these lads were probably also decrying greed and avarice when the Super League plans were kicking about.
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I think them not having thought about it is the key part. They are just jubilant. It has been a long slog for them under Ashley. They see better times to come for their club.
As for the Saudis, UK companies and the UK government are involved in trade and arms deals worth billions.
I donât condone the Newcastle fans, but itâs hard to hold them to a higher standard than their own government.
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It is the worst regime in the world barring North Korea. Inexcusable by Newcastle and the Premier League for allowing Mr. Bone-Saw to buy it with his personal fund, and Newcastle fans celebrating is frankly revolting. They are now owned by a murderous Wahhabi regime and directly owned by the guy who ordered a journalist slaughtered and dismembered in a consulate in Istanbul. It is impossible to state how awful this is and how vile the Saudi regime is. Just a great shame for the Premier League.
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At the moment we probably donât mind Newcastle as a club and a fanbase
There is probably a time that was true if City.
Newcastle will be right up there alongside Man City in a few years though of clubs we come to detest.
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You can play the conscience card. Fair call. Yeah I hate that whole Saudi human rights issues as much as the next person.
Do the Man City womenâs team care, or anyone involved in PSG etc. Nuh. I bet Newcastle supporters have been bitching about City and there owners human rights for years and of course the Super League. Now they have all the coinâŚhang on thatâs OK, happy days letâs dance in the street. Human rights whatâs that. Itâs got nothing to do with getting rid of the owner. Thatâs a cover up. No conscience turn a blind eye. We can win now.
Therein lies the hypocrisy. I reckon I would be one if we all of a sudden we became the richest.
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Iâm sorry. Thereâs 1.9 billion Muslims all over the world. That text is sacred for 25% of the people on this planet. Youâre blaming and hating on the entire Muslim population? Every single one of this is responsible for what happened to Yazidiâs?
Also you do understand that ISIS was never backed by Saudi Arabia or majority of the Muslims for that matter.
All Arab countries referred to ISIS as Daesh. Look up what that means if you donât know.
Your hatred and racism is misplaced, sir. You defending your hatred for 2 billion people by using the Yazidi genocide is nothing but a stupid attempt at legitimizing your racism and Iâm sorry but it wonât fly. Get your facts straight and stop being a racist. Target your hatred towards those who deserve it
I love how people on this sub are jumping up and down and suddenly developing a conscience when KSA is buying a football club.
Half of London is owned by Arabs. Didnât see anyone getting their panties in a twist over that.
âWe are okay with the investment as long as itâs not in footballâ
Well this is a football forum so people would mostly react on football matters.
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Are you telling me nothing else besides football is being discussed on this forum?
Not sure why people like to make comments that make them look stupid.
Lol talking about getting panties in a twist.
But nah it wasnt a stupid comment. You said why arenât people getting their panties in a twist over SA investment in London real estate. Regardless of your whataboutery this is primarily a football forum. Other issues are discussed of course but not in nearly as much detail as football issues.
You have no way of knowing if people have an issue with SA investing in other areas or not. Itâs a generalization.
Youâll find sports news in the Financial Times as well it doesnt mean that sports becomes the focus of that medium.
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Now you are the one generalising.
We are discussing the takeover of Newcastle United, and the comments are related to that.
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They have a blue print of what to do and what not to do with Man City, PSG. etc having already been through the process.
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set up the structure in such a way to obfuscate and seem on paper to be independent from what the reality is
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pick up brownie points by using wokeness as a tool to shield themselves from scrutiny (such as having Amanda Staveley as the public face âleaderâ).
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Racism is an important topic to deal with. Unfortunately, I also see them using the topic of racism to again further their objectives and influence the media in the way they want (by stifling genuine debate)
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Amanda Staveley and the other leaders (such as Jamie Reuben â whose family fled Iraq in 50s as they were Jews â again the cynic in me sees the regime wanting to obfuscate by having the right characteristic of people in certain positions to get their wokeness score up) will say the right things using the right corporate language to be palatable in polite circles.
Such as: âI understand and appreciate all the messages on human rights and we treat them very seriously. But I wouldnât bring partners into the consortium if they didnât have the right record and PIF is autonomous and independent of the Saudi government. PIF owns Newcastle, not the Saudi state.â
Itâs the same language that companies like our own shirt sponsors Nike use, whilst still having a multitude of serious issues in their inhumane working practices. They will have all the right things written in their agreements, but in reality, in developing countries, there will be serious lapses in oversight and exploitation going on.
Football - what we need is them to buy Pogba type of footballers that do not fit their game plan. Then we can compete against them and City and Chelsea by continuing to scout well and be prudent.
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