I just want to clarify for everyone, that I am not David Lynch, nor as far as I know a relative of his ![]()
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The argument to that is Pep took over Barcelona without that experience and took them to one of the best team ever.
Klopp went from Mainz to Dortmund and neither of them had World Class players. At Dortmund, hee had some young highly talented players, but none that were big names until he developed the talent.
Mourinho was similar, at Porto he had some very talented players, but no really big names, so it was only when he moved to Chelsea he had those big names that could have undrsmined him, but he walked in to that changing room and had an instant control.
I am not disagreeing with you, but from a different perspective maybe with so many Managers possibly being available after the World Cup he is in a better position to control his future now, rather than losing out on the merry go round.
But you bring up a good point. It may actually be a summer transfer window where the Managers get more attention than the players.
Ancellotti, Nangelsman, Tuchel, Poch, Steve Clarke (joke) potentially available after the WC. Enrique and possibly Pep/Flick leaving their clubs. Glasner, Areola, Fabio Silva being out of contract and with Kompany’s links to Citeh, you could potentially have, Liverpool, Man Utd., Man City, RM, Barca, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea because they are Chelsea, Spurs because they are Spurs looking for new Managers, that’s not even taking into consideration Southgate, Klopp, Conte or anyone else Iv forgotten.
The only guaranteed winners from all this is the Media ![]()
I partially agree, but I don’t think we would go that far whilst still having Slot in charge.
My opinion is that we would probably already have sounded out targets to see who is interested and would be available mid season. Some who are interested might prefer to wait til the summer - so that would play a part in the clubs thinking, similar to how Klopp wanted to take some time away from the game when he left Dortmund, so we had the choice, sack Rogers in the summer but have to wait on Klopp or keep Rogers until Klopp is ready to take over?
The argument to that is Pep took over Barcelona without that experience and took them to one of the best team ever.
Klopp went from Mainz to Dortmund and neither of them had World Class players. At Dortmund, hee had some young highly talented players, but none that were big names until he developed the talent.
Mourinho was similar, at Porto he had some very talented players, but no really big names, so it was only when he moved to Chelsea he had those big names that could have undrsmined him, but he walked in to that changing room and had an instant control.
After writing my post, I noticed I strayed off the original point slightly
, however, I felt it was still relatable.
I don’t like them personally, but I do respect Pep and Mourinho for what they have achieved at Man City/Chelsea. Mourinho more so.
Pep was a good player, a Barca legend who took over from Rijkard (I believe) but at the time where he had an incredible amount of young talent - Iniesta, Xavi and a certain Messi, with almost no egos (swapping Etoo for Ibra was a strange one though). He took over a Bayern team that had just won the CL and didn’t do anything any previous manager hadn’t done. Also, there are only two teams in Spain and generally only one in Germany. Man City is different, although he took over a Team with recent success/superstars and churned through a number of players/corruption you still have to manage them.
Mourinho was a translator to Bobby Robson, there was no reason for him to be successful. To join Chelsea, a summer where they spent a load of money and manage that squad is for me more impressive. He set his grounds by announcing himself as the Special one, like Klopp set his grounds by making the Normal one comment.
For me Klopp is the better Manager, maybe not tactically and maybe he could have won more by being a bit more of a cunt like the other two, but I wouldn’t change his approach, sometimes you can accept not winning things on the balance of how much the not winning made you feel, the journey it took you through. Infact, and I appreciate it is with hindsight I am almost glad we didn’t win it in 2014 under Rodgers, not because the Team didn’t deserve it but because we may not of had the Klopp era. Also, since then Rodgers has proved to be (being polite) a bit unlikeable and undeserved of being the Manager to lead us to our first title in decades.
I do love this narrative of Hughes as Machevelli.
Regardless of his spending the players bought in are starting to perform bar those with injuries. It’s been some of the more expierenced guys who have let down Slot.
I don’t think Henry or Edwards are that clueless to have not noticed that.
Guehi has been an issue but evidently the club aren’t spending this period and that’s come from higher up than Hughes. Also all three will know what really went down.
I partially agree, but I don’t think we would go that far whilst still having Slot in charge.
My opinion is that we would probably already have sounded out targets to see who is interested and would be available mid season. Some who are interested might prefer to wait til the summer - so that would play a part in the clubs thinking, similar to how Klopp wanted to take some time away from the game when he left Dortmund, so we had the choice, sack Rogers in the summer but have to wait on Klopp or keep Rogers until Klopp is ready to take over?
There will almost always be, unless you are Utd. someone in mind, conversations taking place getting feelers. The successor to Klopp was speculated to be at one point Alonso, then Amorim and finally Slot, but we don’t know if that’s the order of priority. It maybe that the other ones made the media aware first. Wasn’t Amorim rumoured to have been interview for the Wolves role after being heavily linked with us?
I disagree (maybe contradicting myself) regarding us sounding out potential mid season replacements for this season on the basis Slot had just won the league and the amount of money we invested in January - it maybe why Slot is still in charge.
I am almost certain that the Club have made their decision, Slot is aware of this and both parties are being professional for their own reputation. There maybe a bit of undermining from the board via the media to save face but in the Summer both parties will declare an amicable separation.
Liverpool remain a massive project for any manager, to be approached is a privilege, the board can state they back their managers.
Slot walks away a PL Title winning manager, goes down in Liverpool history and now sits at the upper table of Managers the top clubs will look at.
I just hope we part ways, on an open top bus parade. Slot on the Decks, spinning Vinyl and Big Ears number 7 ![]()
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I do love this narrative of Hughes as Machevelli.
Regardless of his spending the players bought in are starting to perform bar those with injuries. It’s been some of the more expierenced guys who have let down Slot.
I don’t think Henry or Edwards are that clueless to have not noticed that.
Guehi has been an issue but evidently the club aren’t spending this period and that’s come from higher up than Hughes. Also all three will know what really went down.
It is not a narrative, it’s looking at things from a different perspective, being open to the fact that this seasons under performance is not pinned on one man.
Hughes/Edwards hired Slot, Slot won the league, Everyone’s a winner. Hughes/Edwards (and for balance Slot) go big in the Summer Transfer window, it doesn’t go as planned Hughes/Edwards wash their hands and say not my fault Gov. Slot gets sacked.
I agree and especially in Edwards case, he has proven success, so definitely not clueless - although I will contradict myself later.
If you and I agree that they are not clueless, and would have observed the upturn in performances by our new signings (albeit at a slower and in a less effective manner than us the fans expected), the drop off by our experienced guys, Title winners - some of them double - and CL winners, why can’t a large proportion of the Fan base see that?
IMO Guehi is all on Hughes/Edwards. Whether it was out of their control and played out how it did because that was how it was, we will never know.
The issue I have is that there was not a second option. I understand when we held out for VVD, his stock was that high and we also had other CB’s who could do a job.
To start a season with only two CB’s, proven to have completed 30+ games over the last 3 seasons (one 30+ the other out of contract) a young untested, new to the league and Culture Italian, a Joe ‘made out of glass’ Gomez and a loveable, gives it all short arsed Endo who was brought as a final thought DM is nothing more than stupidity of the highest order. Why spend money on a Gold/Crystal Johnny big balls show of intent project, and undermine it by going all shy on the foundations. What makes it worse is that Edwards made the same mistake when Klopp won the Title - that is clueless.
It is when you start pretending he’s going to to the media and so on without so much as any knowledge about the bloke. The club from Henry down know what happened and what people are like and Henry and Edwards won’t take too kind to stuff like that especially Henry who has often appeared to be risk adverse to negative media.
As for the signings those who have stayed fit are starting to look the real deal. Guehi is a black mark but the club will know that. The blame has to be laid at the seasoned pros who have stank and the set up of the manager.
The club isn’t in bad shape, it’s just in a bad period.
Guehi has been an issue but evidently the club aren’t spending this period and that’s come from higher up than Hughes. Also all three will know what really went down.
I don’t believe that the club would withhold money because they are thinking of sacking Slot.
The whole point of the structure put in place when Klopp departed is that everything isn’t reset when we replace a Head Coach. The strategy should continue.
The club isn’t in bad shape, it’s just in a bad period.
well said!!!
Can’t imagine Xabi Alonso would want to come in until the summer.
Imagine taking over the job in Feb/March and failing to get us into the CL. Would be pressure from the start.
I don’t think they are I’m just saying all of them will know what the deal is.
It is when you start pretending he’s going to to the media and so on without so much as any knowledge about the bloke. The club from Henry down know what happened and what people are like and Henry and Edwards won’t take too kind to stuff like that especially Henry who has often appeared to be risk adverse to negative media.
As for the signings those who have stayed fit are starting to look the real deal. Guehi is a black mark but the club will know that. The blame has to be laid at the seasoned pros who have stank and the set up of the manager.
The club isn’t in bad shape, it’s just in a bad period
I am not pretending, I am just speculating. It is how it usually plays out. I could throw it back at you and say it’s when you’re pretending it is nothing to do with him. No one knows ![]()
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Think that’s all true but it really depends on what Xabi wants as a coach: he won’t get any kudos at either PSG or Bayern unless he wins the CL and longevity is unlikely with either. On the other hand, he could build and retain a team with us and stay in the job for as long as he wants, provided he consistently competes for and wins some PL and CL trophies. He surely thinks he’s good enough; possibly comes down to whether he wants to return to living in the UK.
The club isn’t in bad shape, it’s just in a bad period.
As pertains to the strategic leadership delivered by Hughes and Edwards, I agree - but that doesn’t mean there aren’t some questions to be answered about their part in the clubs underperformance.
This isn’t a ‘Hughes out’ thing, and it’s not about picking your side. I’m not keen on anyone losing their job. But review and improvement should be part of the strategy at Liverpool, and I’m not happy to see Slot get canned for issues created above him, because if they aren’t addressed at the level above him then they are likely to be repeated.
You are right to say we don’t know what is going on, but that is because Hughes never, ever, puts his head above the parapet. He doesn’t give interviews. He is never held to any public account. This while his subordinate is compelled to front the club and face the media four or five times a week, answering questions that really should be addressed to his boss.
Does Hughes believe that he has delivered an A+ summer and Slot has fucked it up? Or does he think that he could have done better for the club.
I would like to know how we ended up with two viable centre backs, a situation that has cost us points given one couldn’t be dropped when not performing, and may yet get worse given Konates injury history.
I’d like to know why it was decided that the only alternative on the left would be a kid who Slot clearly thinks isn’t ready. And the only alternative to an aging right winger who we knew would be disappearing for six weeks would be a player Slot doesn’t want to play.
Why was it decided to take up two non homegrown squad spots with players Slot doesn’t use?
Was it sensible in retrospect to get embroiled in an increasingly acrimonious transfer saga for a player we would need to spend a further six months getting fit? Was it sensible to allow Palce to string us along until deadline day for Guehi? Should we have pushed for a sale of Elliott rather than do Villa a favour they would go on to throw back in our faces and leaving us with a player worth a fraction of what he was worth last summer?
One thing about Slot and as a fan being an outsider to the inner workings of the club it’s impossible to judge, is whether the guy puts in the hard yards and heavy lifting behind the scenes to eventually reap the benefits of this hard labour… or is he just a lazy bastard living in a tracksuit. Delegating too many of his responsibilities to others that are falling short in their duties.
To me, the good thing is that there are no loud rumblings within the squad that have disrespected him to date on this matter, but as a fan that has watched a lot of football over the years, i’m still perplexed at the absurd drop in performance levels from last season to this…
Maybe the reasons are too many and we will never get to the why and wherefore of how we have transitioned in such a negative way
It’s not the same situation, but it was reported that he didn’t want to takeover at Real to take part in the CWC. That was much more part of last season than this season. Can understand it. Ultimately though, he agreed to it.
Whether he takes over a club between now and the end of the season or not, who knows, but next summer he will surely want a more normal pre-season than his last one was.
I’d like to know why it was decided that the only alternative on the left would be a kid who Slot clearly thinks isn’t ready.
This isn’t what was said in the summer though and I think this idea has only generated traction because something has gone wrong and people are scratching around trying to find explanations for it.
Pure numbers wise for the front line we lost Jota, Nunez and Diaz and brought in Isak, Hugo, and Flo, and specifically for the left we were told the latter two were both viewed as options for that role, and of course Chiesa has played there plenty of times before. Rio is a bonus addition compared to last season’s options.
What we have lost in Diaz is not squad numbers, but more about the ferocity of the way he plays. That was something that wasn’t captured in pure goals and assists stats, and is something none of these other options naturally replicate. But that was seemingly a transition Slot wanted us to follow - getting away from the chaotic fury of a Diaz mazy dribble followed by a high energy pursuit to win the ball back, and instead moving us towards controlled possession in the opposite third. Something that required a different profile of player.