I think it’s a fair point. And it is quite possible that Slot hasn’t had to deal with some of the issues before. Certainly not the death of a teammate, and quite possibly not the general lack of confidence that goes with it.
Maybe Klopp was better at that side of things (e.g. when Alisson’s father died and the general upset during the pandemic) but I would have thought FSG would have brought in assistance if they felt Slot needed it. Maybe they had grief counsellors, I don’t know.
From what I have seen of his previous managerial stats, he has never had such a rut of form before. Do managers ever pull out of that? I suppose that they usually get the sack before they get the chance to turn it around.
Perhaps it’s a language thing, but winning the league isn’t everything. It makes it a near perfect season, but not absolutely perfect. To suggest otherwise papers over cracks that we already saw last season and had questions over coming into this one (yourself included).
No, I’ve written about some of that earlier today. Seeing posters such as @sweeting and @Limiescouse express such big concerns over his coaching set alarm bells ringing for me as I respect their insights into the game and neither appear to be the sort to take extreme positions for the sake of doing so.
I’ve pointed out a couple of things tactically that were appearing before this season that doesn’t look to have been addressed. There were also doubts last year around his abilities on a personal level with the players, which again we appear to be seeing play out with Curtis. Some of the comments being attributed to him are also I think concerning.
I think there are a dozen or so different factors affecting us this season, and I have no special insight into them to know how to weight them or how much of it is down to Arne. But, until recently I was all for giving him until the end of the season and the club reviewing his position. Now, I’m one leg in the get someone else in now camp. I’m not sure I see how he turns things round. Perhaps signing a new DM and a winger or two fixes everything and he can compete for the league and other trophies again - but if he has been unable to resolve any of the issues we have seen throughout this season, and if much of it is training related as many are suggesting, then I’m not sure how we could be confident in him doing so next season…?
Wasnt there an absurd stat that he’d never lost 2 games in a row before this season? That lack of having come through adversity was one of the concerns that was being raised when people were getting carried away last season - managing through a difficult spell is very different than he experienced last season and requires different things from you. Just because he’d had a great first season didn’t mean he had those tools, or even that he’d recognize the need to do things a bit differently once he hit some difficulty. That concern was the basis for the raised eye brows to some of his early season public comments earlier in the season before the wheels had fallen off but far enough in that we’d seen enough to know things weren’t quite right.
Thanks for your answer. Yeah, same for me. I’ve lost the trust in his ability to steer us out of trouble to be honest. And I believe that if he stays, we’ll see similar problems popping up next season.
Maybe the players, when they come back next summer, will need a fresh start as well after this difficult season, and in that respect, a change at head coach level might be what they need to get going again.
Think that’s unfair. TAW try to be balanced rather than reactive, which is why I like listening to them. I think the last couple of weeks have been a tipping point for a lot of people
Redmen TV has long been reluctant to publicly criticize Slot and has always tried to take a “cautious diplomatic” approach, probably also to avoid losing access to the Club Press; this now appears to have changed.
Jotas death was horrible, but I think it played a minor role in what we see today.
His best friends were Diaz, Kelleher and Becker. Two of which moved clubs and have had excellent seasons.
More importantly, if grief were the driving force, you’d expect an immediate impact. We however started the season with 7 wins in a row.
There are real, structural reasons for this slump lack of balance, tactical inconsistency, squad fitness, use of favourites, defensive lapses at key moments, failure to hold leads (especially last 10 minutes) . Those deserve honest analysis. Using Jota’s death as the explanation lets the people responsible off the hook, and frankly, I don’t think Jota himself would want that legacy.
Been there doing that for a while so try not to be such a drama queen. If you think 9 months is not enough time to recover from someone dying, and you think it’s appropriate to keep using it as a crutch, well then you have bigger problems that can be solved through this thread.
Morn, feel sad, do whatever you want, other than use it to explain or justify how it’s an excuse for how things are going tits up. It’s incredibly disrespectful to use a tragedy in this manner.
And just incase you have a chip on your shoulder, and I suspect you do, I’m not specifically pointing to you, this goes to everyone suggesting that this season is going to shit because of Jota’s death.
He was very close to Diogo and has had a very impressive season so he has overcome his grief.
Although not at Liverpool, maybe certain players don’t have the same make up as Kelleher and differ in their ability to overcome their grief. Also, what the club and us are doing to remember Diogo brings back the grief.
As I have said I may be different from most but I would think that the way some on performing on the pitch and the lack of desire and fight aren’t representing who Diogo was, he had fight, effort and desire.
I would be using my memory of Diogo to drive me on and to perform better, to fight harder and to drive the desire to succeed.
That is me and it is hard to see why others don’t, look at Robbo with Scotland he remembered Diogo before that pivotal game and used it positively.
I lost a very good friend and work colleague in our gym, whilst playing indoor footy and due to a massive heart attack.
I/we provided CPR for 30 minutes, until ambulances arrived and continued whilst the tried defib, nothing I/we could have done, had a lot of grief initially always wondering what I could would of done more to save him and felt guilty that I hadn’t.
Luckily when attending the funeral the family sort me out and presumably others and thanked me as they heard from others about the effort we had put in to save him, this gave me closure.
I was back at work after a couple of days, before the funeral and working as diligently as ever, why? Because that is what he would have done and expected of me!
It’s had some impact no doubt and people cope differently so to use examples I don’t think is the best idea. It really doesn’t explain why they all look exhausted and can’t be arsed to attack for 70 minutes.
Hard to conclusively say what Jota death has had as consequences, but those simply saying “death of a collegue” are ignoring the scale of the public reaction.
In term of death, it’s closer to Diana, than Roger from the accounting department. Whether we like it or not, everything has been magnified thousandfold.
This is not helping in bringing closure, and I find it wrong to dismiss it.
As to what Jota would have wanted, it’s definitely not for any of us to speculate.