Breaking News Thread

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From an Afghan perspective. Rashida Yousafzai, journalist based in Sydney is a great source for what is happening in Afghanistan and those Afghans activists based abroad.

ISMF, she was interviewing the people in Kabul today with full hijab. Yesterday, she only had a scarf.

Lyce Doucet has been a journalist for years in this region does a great analysis as well.

Because the deal was done in the background for reduction in the $$$$ or else we will come back and invade all over and depose you. The presenting the re-branded Taliban to the world show.

Sorry I should have been clearer in my post.

My intent was not to show that they have changed, but to help us understand why many Afghan people support them. When they are so abhorrent.

It’s not a Mussolini at least the trains ran on time, or simply freedom fighters against puppet government/foreign oppression.

But they had already setup a parallel government (with different ministries), that their courts provided justice when the governments courts didn’t. They provided perception of being more liberal. (Than the 90s)

In a way does not matter if perceptions real or not (see Brexit) they were able to set a different narrative. Enough so that there was not greater resistance.

It was not inevitable and I have posted sources that shows that if you dig in them. It was inevitable only after a date of withdrawal was set and when the US initiated withdrawal. It became more and more inevitable after 2018 due to what the US did to the Afghan goverment, dangerously sidelining them. Saying it is inevitable is the excuse those who now see with shock and horror what they have done, use to justify morally and politically what happened. Staying in Afghanistan had a cost, but we may find leaving has a far greater cost (most probably I would say).
But inevitable is spin. Probably not your spin, but the origin is certainly spin.

Yeah it’s not quite how I meant that either.

In short the very basics of human are , a need food, water, clothing, shelter, security.

If you don’t resolve these very basics core issues and add guns and religion. Maintaining order and government is always going to be challenging.

My take on being inevitable, was more speaking to the failure of the US/Afghan government to meet these basic human needs many years after war. Be an occupying force than one truely rebuilding the country.

Don’t solve the basics. A bad outcome is inevitable.

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Who was it that helped create the Taliban and Al-Qaida monsters ?

The way the army and president surrendered is absolutely shameful.
But then how do you fight these people…
I don’t think it’s possible to discuss/oppose views with medieval people armed with modern weapons

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As the video pointed out they, the taliban, have become even more ruthless. If you die at their hands so does your familly.

As for dicussing with medieval mind sets in my experience it’s not possible to discuss with them armed or not yet that’s exactly what the US did.

Discussion did not work, fighting is useless… i wonder what strategy is left?

Laisser faire. Seems to be the order of the day. :cry:

UK Parliament is debating Afghanistan at the moment if people can tune in on the BBC.

Interesting that Boris and Raab decided to go on holiday last week despite the imminent fall of Kabul.

When I watched the press conference by the spokesperson of the new regime, it struck me that this rebranded Taliban are smarter in their public relations to the world.

They are trying to convey a more softer, moderate and conciliatory tone and are encouraging countries to come and invest in their country. Also, they trying to appease the West and human rights organisations that women will have the freedom to work under their ’ sharia laws. It seems very vague to me.

Afghanistan already is under an islamic juristriction. So, from what I am reading betwen the lines is that the country is not islamic enough in their view point.

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Do you mean “laissez-faire”?

That’s it, sounds the same! :wink: :blush:

Nope. US in collusion with Saudi Arabia fostered the wahabbi extremism that is there as a means to counteract Russia.

This meant funding the likes of the taliban (by proxy) and al qaida.

This is countries attempting to use a religion to brainwash people. Thats where the majority of the blame is.

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Name me a country where a monarchy fell, as happened with Afgahanistan in the 70s, and there wasn’t a period of political and social turmoil in the aftermath, often with unsavory elements taking the lead.

When the monarchy fell, we had Russian intervene to bolster the communist party’s position, Pakistan do so because of their fear of their status in the domino theory of communist expansion, the Saudis to support Islam, and the US because they love a cold war style proxy war. No one ever thinks 2 steps ahead in these conflicts, which is why we get situations like a US supported Saddam in Iraq. If you’re being really cynical, and I think there is fair reason to be, it is because the people involved in places like the US who are responsible for the first phase conflict have no concern about how shitty the outcome is because having to then continue conflict with the next in line leader keeps them in jobs.

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I always find this stance strange, we (the west) seem to pick and choose who we get offended by “enforcing” their religion… We seem to have no fucks about allowing Qatar, Saudia Arabia etc. To all pretty much employ similar structures to the Taliban… Nothing to do with them sitting on a bit of black gold…

P.s. I am not condoning the Taliban in any way of form.

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LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!

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