China - the irresistible rise

I think the easy way for Taiwan to deal with China is to drop the R.O.C and change it’s official name to Taiwan. The minute they do that then it will likely increase the West’s perception that it is totally independant from China and will find allies in the region like South Korea and Japan which will give the US and UK more impodence to acknowledge it as it’s statehood

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Maybe not

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Loved this bit hahaha!! The end of the world is nigh.

Here’s one for ya, maybe slightly off topic, so feel free to ignore. Aren’t these countries indebted to the US because of the wars, bit like UK was, it only recently made the last instalment payment I read somewhere?
If they didn’t owe the money, would they be allies? Flip side of this would be, would the countries be as prosperous now if it weren’t for the interventions.

So conflict between China and its neighbours is a laughing matter?

Glad you agree with the rest of my post

Well you are saying the whole of humanity which is stretching this a bit far.
I haven’t disagreed with anything that anyone has said, just challenged some views.
In my opinion people in the west only think a certain way because of the manipulation of news which they are fed. You know how it goes, this is shit that is shit, this is a threat, all because the leaders of the West don’t agree, or have an interest in natural resources

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It may be surprising to you, but some of us are capable of independent thought. We have travelled around the world and seen different systems in different countries. We have lived long enough to see the effects of various policies and we have followed, or even taken part in political debates. We have studied history and learned lessons from it. We can criticise our own countries, because we’re allowed to, and we reserve the right to criticise any country which we feel is taking a bad direction. There are many aspects of the West and its governments which we can find fault with, but the basic ideas of liberty and democracy are values which are worth defending.

Awesome :ok_hand: not sure why it would be surprising to me that there’s people out there who can think for themselves

How do you do the like things on this new forum?

If you click on the Heart symble, it will automatically register it as a heart, but if you hover your mouse over the Heart then you will get the extra options above to pick from

took me a second, but, well played my old friend, well played.

Thanks for that, I’ll remember for next time. Doesn’t seem to work on mobiles, am on a staycation in Freo at the moment.
Hope you and redbj are well

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That’s pushing my little brain a bit too far to comprehend properly - The hamster tried to keep up, but is exhusted :wink:

You could very well be right. Geopolitics is not my strong point, so would need to go and read up a bit to get a better understanding of the historical perspectives and how that could relate to current positions

Geopolitics not my forte either, just expressing my own opinions be they right or wrong. Thought I’d might as well join in on something after being away :grin:

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All good mate. You raised a point which I thought was interesting and had me intreaged, so something I want to try and learn more about.

The one point I would raise, is what debt would Japan owe to the US? The only one I can think of would be for rebuilding after WW2, but considering it was the US that dropped the H-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagaski which a large part of the debt would have gone to rebuilding those cities - should Japan have to pay back that money? It might be of topic, but something that as a topic I think could be interesting to learn about

As I understand it, quite a number of the rebuilding conracts in Iraq went to US companies, so if that’s correct it’s probably the case for Japan. Though, as Japan lost the war, there must have been something in the peace treaty or whatever it is that they sign at the end of a war, about assistance with rebuild plus an occupation of some land for an airbase or something similar for strategic purposes.
I’m sure the more educated here could shed some light

Found this Milestones: 1945–1952 - Office of the Historian

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Make up your mind

Had a very quick glance as at work, so hard to read it properly, but found the final part interesting

all of which objected to the promise to support the Republic of China and not do business with the People’s Republic of China that was forced on Japan by U.S. politicians.

So if I understand it correctly, after WW2, the US were so concerned about Communist China that their peace treaty with Japan forced Japan to deal with Taiwan, but not China yet they still refuse to set up any form of diplomatic relationship with Taiwan due to fears of upsetting China - hence why no US president/VP has ever visited Taiwan and as far as I am aware have never hosted a Taiwanese leader in the US.

Note - Looking a bit more, under the bit related to the Korean war, it talks about the Treaty of San Fransisco in 1950 which concluded the US occupation and excused Japan from reparations of the war

The primary reason countries will act as allies is not debt to the US but self interest keeping China in check.

Taiwan make something like 60% of the world’s semiconductors. In the hands of China they could exert huge pressures on tech dependent economies like Japan and Korea.

Fall out with China (similar to Australia recently, or multiple other countries) it becomes a powerful lever. Imagine the likes of Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, Toyota having no chips.

But it’s not just trade why they (and other countries) will want to keep China in check. If China did take Taiwan by force, the disputed islands in that region (currently owned by Japan and disputed with China and Taiwan) would be next.

Korea has a complicated relationship because of North Korea. But also had disputes regarding bounties. They would be fearful of pressures they could exert.

Basically any country in the region has some dispute with China. (Not helped by the building of artificial islands). China is currently in dispute with 17 countries in Asia regarding land/sea boarders. They is real concern about expansionist aspirations.

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