Climate Catastrophe

It’s not necessarily simple. It may involve a lot of donkey work. However it is a proven economic way of improving a situation rather than kicking a problem down the field with no guarantee of being in a better situation at a later date.

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Build it, fire it, see why it didn’t work then fix it? Pretty sure you’re not that keen on the simple and obvious?

We’re going to be paying for it, regardless of which government is in power

Doing some tests and checks is a lot easier than trying to clear up a mess and decipher what went wrong.

Pretty obvious really.

If you’re faced with a large problem of many branches it’s often easier to hit the easy wins first. Also easier to look at where you can make the most gains as well.

To get this back on topic is that form of carbon capture and storage the best option we have? An option that has been expensive, problematic and not followed through previously.

Pretty sure we have other options that could cut energy consumption such as home insulation but let’s remind ourselves that this government is ultimately about profit from private enterprise. They won’t help people to spend less.

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Sure, paying for it in what way though?

I disagree with the “regardless of which government is in power” bit, simply because it’s very defeatist. Starmer is very much more vulnerable to environmentalist political attacks than Sunak is, simply because Labour are perceived to actually care more, while the Conservatives are a lost cause.

Very much double standards going on here.

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As is often (but not always) the case, George Monbiot hits the nail squarely on the head:

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Offer the energy companies full tax breaks for the next 10 years on the provision that by the end of those 10 years, they have made renewable energy fully functioning on the mass market. Agree that by hitting the 10 year target they then get a further 10 years of tax breaks as their reward.

To offset those tax breaks, put up the taxes on fossil fuels each year and I bet you they would find a way to make it achievable. You just need to give them the incentive.

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Probably not even needed. Take a look at this graph produced by noted socialist organization Lazard.

End subsidies, and you get a long way there.

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So you’re saying that if Labour are in power the government won’t foot the bill for carbon storage?

They don’t pay any taxes so how is that going to work?
1st you have to start taxing them!

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if you really want to incentivize them, give them tax breaks ONLY on renewable/green energy.

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They don’t get taxed!

Hence asking the question, footing the bill, or facing the consequences?

That’s what I meant to ask, apologies if it came out the wrong way…

With EVERY government policy, everything boils down to money.
Either availability of it or willingness to spend it

Not in Ireland though.
Lot of decisions based on whats popular for the next election.

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Same here.
They ALL make promises that wont be kept, in order to gain votes.

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I think that is true with most governments. Unpopular or difficult decisions are kicked in to the long grass so the next incumbent has to deal with them. The government that failed to deal with the problem in the first place then uses it as a stick to beat the new government with.

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Yep.
Fast forward to 2028.
Labour been in power for 4 years, making an equally bad horses arse of running the nation, rolling out the “The Conservatives left us in shit state, we’re not as bad as them” excuses.

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British politics aside, the world is definitely in trouble. Surprisingly, very little attention has been paid to the ridiculous temperatures occurring in South America right now. In the southern hemisphere’s winter!
https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1686880094252306432?s=20

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I think it’s great, as it means freshly cooked fish straight out of the sea. You can’t get any fresher than that :wink: