Climate Catastrophe

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Australia! :roll_eyes:

More depressing reading:

Fascinated to know what the route will be to making EVs affordable. Their cost is simply way out of reach for many at the moment and then having to throw huge cash on a battery replacement just makes it totally unfeasible to many, myself included.

I can understand the lease angle but is that the direction weā€™re all going?

For the record, due to cost and ranting at the utter corruption of modern garages / car manufacturers Iā€™m firmly in the old car and keep it alive camp. But it looks like my VW Golf is at the point of no return so Iā€™m probably on the look for another semi beater as you put it.

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I was thinking on about this because Iā€™ve yet to see an electric car that would fit the mode of a Ford Model-T in terms enabling mass market uptake. I had a look at the dealer where I bought my last car (they specialise in ex-rental models) and a 2021 VW ID.3 is still 5000ā‚¬ more than a 2023 Golf (the nearest equivalent petrol model). That probably makes it worthwhile over the long term but I donā€™t think the second hand EV market is that mature yet.

However, I was thinking about the EVs that I do see on the road. Our postal service and the local baker both use EVs for door to door deliveries (which was common on the UK 50 years ago). But the biggest number of EVs I see are ebikes. I see them being used, particularly by young people, for commuting whereas the number of mopeds on the road seems to be notably dropping.

The EV passenger car market it still developing. I think you can see this in the styling given the number of EV vehicles with fake-grills. Itā€™s going through the horseless carriage phase. However, I donā€™t think you are going to see a direct replacement.

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Carry on :see_no_evil:

At least part of this is a product/design choice. Right now most car makers seem to be viewing the value of electrification as a way to mitigate the concerns of large cars being gas guzzlers and that thinking is dominating their product management. As a result for new electric models hitting the market we are seeing something like a 9 to 1 ratio of SUVs or Crossovers to regular cars. And even among the latter category only a small fraction are compact.

Itā€™s a different story in china but those cars are primarily being made solely for the Chinese market and by Chinese manufacturers that dont operate (yet) anywhere else. I think the latter part is relevant is because car manufacturers in the west have for a while operated distinct from consumer demands (i.e. making what they want and leaving consumers little choice but to buy from what is available). That means the Chinese market is not just focused on a specific Chinese demand, but doing so without the infected mindset of ā€œbigger is better (better margins)ā€ mantra that seems to dominate western companies.

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It has gone beyond caricature. The oil companies really do need to be present at COP and in the overall dialogue, but they have traditionally had the good sense to focus on making the ā€˜most economically efficient pathwayā€™ arguments, not using it as the worldā€™s biggest oil and gas convention.

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Iā€™ve been wondering if our future is one of Star Trek or Bladerunner.

The latter seems all the more likely. Ridleyā€™s fault.

Ideocracy more like :rofl:

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Yeah, I can see the hoards of flat earthers terrified of falling off the edge congregating towards the North Pole trying to water their crops with Gatorade.

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I once watched a program where someone in the states ā€˜rescuedā€™ a Toyota Prius whoā€™s batterey had packed up. The battery was made up of 110 cells (if I remember correctly). By testing each cell he discovered that 3 were dead the rest good so he bought 3 cells from someone selling the good cells left from another prius battery.
The answer is regulation of the secondhand market (which sure the car manufacturers will want strict so this wonā€™t be possible (they will surely make their batteries safe from repair)). I looked up the availability of Prius cells on the european market and got zilch.
I was very interested in buying a secondhand Prius however the market is/was too small in France, only Switzerland seemed to have any market at all, then the non possibility of getting cells for the batteries made it a no go area.

So it will be down to how the batteries are made and if they can be repaired or not. Regulation will go in favor of the manufacturers so itā€™s unlikely this will be viable except on the black market. However if governments were savvy they would open the market up.

There is never going to be much of a second-hand market for batteries, at least with current technology. The number of free Li ions starts to decline, and that decline accelerates over time. That Prius may have had just 3 dead cells, but the other 107 would all be fairly close. Once they get to that stage, you would be swapping out cells constantly.

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Who would have thought, right!!!

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Thanks, Iā€™m sticking to the internal combustion engine then!
Itā€™s like these bulbs that use less electricity, I seem to have really bad luck with them. Iā€™ve not had one that has lasted more than 3 years at that rate Iā€™m better off using tungsten filaments (at least they last 5 to 10 years and cost a fraction of the price. Well at least until electricity prices rise to levels that no-one uses electricity anyway!

really? maybe itā€™s inconsistent wiring on the older homes in France but I switched my entire house over to LED once the incandescent bulbs wore out over the last 8 years. my electrical bill just dropped to $64 CAD last month as we donā€™t have a tenant in the suite anymore.

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Philips and cheap ones I think.
My last LED lasted 6 months thatā€™s abysmal!
You do realise that the difference in price donā€™t you?

Depending on the amount of use the LED lamp could still work out cheaper compared to incandescent. The payback for them is incredibly rapid.

Having said that, Iā€™ve also just had to replace one but that one had cracked for some reason, so Iā€™m assuming itā€™s had some sort of impact.

The rest have been in for 4 years. They were Livano branded (which is just the Lidl own brand so no idea who manufacturers them). Maybe itā€™s an issue with certain brands?

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$5.89 CAD for two bulbs. Have them in my kitchen lights, 7 years now probably turned on for 2000hrs a year. Equiv of a 60W incandescent

Not many places sell incandescent bulbs anymore but hereā€™s the cheapest I could find

$7.79 CAD for four bulbs.

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/noma-a15-e26-dimmable-incandescent-light-bulbs-620-lumens-warm-white-60w-4-pk-0520626p.html

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They are now banned from sale for lighting in the EU.

You can still get them for specialist use, for example lava lamps.

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