Climate Catastrophe

Not really socialist though.


Norway is.

Can’t be 100% sure about Sweden and Finland but the Fins i have met give off the vibe of having socislist leanings. Not sure if they are outliers or if they are representative of the Finnish population.

Sweden, i have no idea

In a socialist country, the government owns the means of production and there is no private enterprise. This is not true of any Scandinavian country:


The poor are paying for the excesses of the rich. As usual.

That’s history of mankind since the times when the first big cities were built, and the concentration of wealth started to gather pace (roughly 6’000 years ago). Since then, there has never been any exception to that rule.

More pertinent question would be how do you get them to reduce their emissions? They certainly aren’t doing it wilfully.

I believe Toro grew up on the Canadian prairies, Alberta as I recall.

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Even less socialist

You could say that…

To be fair, Saskatchewan has a proud social democratic tradition, but their current politics skew rather more rightward.

Are the means of production entirely in the hands of the state? No.
Are there private companies doing business? Yes.

Canada is not socialist.

Words matter.

Alberta is quite ‘not socialist’.

More good news…


EV’s you say, huh? yeah…fuck that.

Electric car shock: Ontario man told new battery would cost more than $50,000 |

Honestly, he should not have been shocked. The 60k/176k difference is confusing in the story, but those batteries simply are not going to last longer than 5 years of near-daily use. Even the warranties specify that they will deliver 80% of range in that period - in practice Teslas drop significantly after about 2 years. The entire technology is basically designed around North American lease terms. A six year old battery driven normal distances (+/-20k kms per year) is worthless, and that is more or less what he discovered. They can last longer than the warranty period, but once they get below the 80% level, the crystalline structures can degrade very quickly. he got 12000 past what amounts to the expected lifetime.

Now you’ve created a culture of throwaway vehicles. how fucking stupid is that?

Meanwhile, a 1990 Honda Civic you can buy for a couple thousand and just keep changing the parts on it as they fail. burns very little fuel, bulletproof for maintenance

it’s fucking comically short-sighted. rediculous.

they could have just made fucking Zenn cars.

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You don’t actually have to throw away the vehicles, but batteries have a very finite lifetime. Anyone who has owned a cellphone knows that. Other maintenance is usually going to be fairly low as well. From an emissions point of view, the ~2 tonnes of CO2e necessary to produce a battery is not that significant. Your 1990 Civic will emit that much C02 in about 10,000 km, +/- depending on which model. But the new lithium-ion battery won’t ever be cheap, there won’t ever be such a thing as an electric ‘beater’ car.

Ultimately, Musk has got enormously wealthy peddling the fantasy that private electric cars can allow us to be environmentally responsible without making significant social/infrastructure changes.

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how much CO2 is used to manufacture the entire vehicle? having to replace it every 6-7 years, enormous amounts of energy to do that. nevermind, unless you have access to clean power then you’re basically just doing this


You don’t need to replace the entire vehicle though. Emissions to manufacture the balance of the vehicle are not much different from conventional vehicles, the trade-off is batteries versus the fuel consumption.

From an emissions point of view, the configuration in that photo is still actually cleaner than most vehicles…but it definitely isn’t going to solve climate change.

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well I’m not going to spend $50k to replace a battery on a $50k vehicle. that’s just throwing bad money after bad money. I’m going to take a fuel-efficient vehicle and maintain it as long as I can. Because the three R’s are “reduce, re-use, recycle”, not “replace”

if you have a physics background, you’ll understand that the energy that reaches the tires to propel that vehicle forward is incredibly diminished from the time that is hits the combustion chambers of that generator in the form of fuel. the transformation from fuel to electricity, into a series of transformers to be transferred the battery cells, to then be sent through to the electric motors… it’s an incredible energy loss.

there’s nothing efficient about having to run a petroleum generator to charge an electric vehicle… :man_facepalming: