Probably because it’s not an actual solution, just as it wasn’t for Brexit, Trumpism, Covid denial and belief in ancient aliens etc.
Exactly what I meant. In a world where climate is fucked, nothing is too small and yet doing nothing at all would be the worst
Education alone does little to change that. People are already educated on climate change and the other things above - but either they don’t wish to apply that learning or it gets drowned out by others pushing a different message.
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Both apply. People talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk. It’s very similar to the NIMBY mindset: we need more housing, but don’t build it where I live.
And when they’re bombarded 24/7 by images of the “glamorous” lifestyle on television, in films and on social media, it’s difficult for the average person to resist.
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Did you ever travel when you were younger Cynical?
I agree but the road i was starting down was those super wealthy people have the largest footprints so they should be both tackled first. They also have the greatest responsibility to change.
As you progress down the scale i suspect that “responsibility”, sorry, ability to make a significant impact reduces and they already have a far smaller footprint in the first place.
Governnents are key to all of this but i dont see any making huge strides in the right direction.
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i understand it doesnt resolve the problem, but having spent a life travelling and experiencing different things, does it not sadden you that one of the solutions to the problem is no one from a younger generation would get to do the same?
surely we can resolve many of the issues without restricting travel?
having said that, these all you can eat all you can drink all you can fuck travel packages to just party in a hot place add nothing to the human experience (in my opinion) so there does need to be some curbing of the tourism industry…
no one needs to take the family to bali 3 times a year
in Bali, i got chatting to some bloke from perth who was building his retirement home(in perth) worked out cheaper for him to rent a villa in Bali for the last 19 months and fly the grandkids in and out while the place was getting built, the cost of the visa was pretty insignificant…
but itd be a shame if my kids could never see the colloseum, take a train ride through switzerlands alps etc etc etc… i think that would be detrimental to us all
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I am incredibly sympathetic to your POV on this.
Being close to the Alps and the Colosseum (amongst other things of course!) is exactly the reason I chose to live in Europe.
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im nervous for some reason… i keep searching your post for a trap… 
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i can get something (the case in my mind was a soft toy) from the UK within nine days…
5 days from the UK warehouse, 4 days from there to my door.
i have to assume that was airfreight.
there was no option for a longer but cheaper wait…which got me thinking,
numbers below are hypothetical;
surely if i had to pay around $100 to air frieght the $40 (aus) package i would choose the $18 dollar slow haul.
you could say ‘dont get the toy at all’, which is my normal reaction, but not on this occasion for reasons i cant be arsed justifying or going into.
its interesting, once you think on it too, i remember my first LFC strip i had to buy from the (UK) club shop and wait around 6 weeks for it to hit aus…i cant even remember how my mum made it happen to be honest…
now, the day the strips come out in the UK shops, there here in the Aus shops… so theres definately lenty of demand on air frieght that is basically non essential…we can wait till october in aus for the strips to hit the shelves…surely…
someone mentioned above air frieght is a minimal slice, which i assume is correct, but it still must be a significant chunk that can be reduced pretty easily…just like the plastic wrapped fruit and veg… the slight inconvienience is really low hanging fruit in the scheme of things…
no on needs a sixpack of baked beans to be shrink wrapped etc etc…it just doesnt need to happen
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I just read an interesting statistic, saying that the internet is a significant contributor to global warming - about 1 billions tons of greenhouse gases annually, or roughly 4% of global emissions. The global airline industry is responsible for 4% too!
Just wondering, as we are all chatting crap on a Liverpool site, if the more eco minded among us have considered how much of this is essential? 
Think of the electricity consumption, battery recharging, implications for data storage, not to mention the mineral extraction required for me to be able to sit here and write this on my iPad.
It’s a tricky business when we start getting into what is essential or not.
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how much of the internet is saving global emmissions though…yes, there is a cost involved, but in the alternative;
ok, so theres a cost to banking online, but surely its less than having to go into a branch circa 1980
ok, so theres a cost to paying my utilities online, but surely its cheaper than driving to the local branch or post office and standing in queue circa 1980
the list would be long…the fact i sit here and post remarkably insightful and genuinely hillarious content that has all my other forumites in utter awe with my spare 15 minutes would be negligable wouldnt it?
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I raised that point earlier in this thread actually.
The more concerning thing would actually be the training of AI models, which takes up a non-insignificant amount of energy.
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That is interesting, could you share the article? I’d like to know the system boundaries they used.
First thoughts are that the internet is something enjoyed by a lot (the majority?) of people on the planet. Where as flying is only available to a minority, even if it doesn’t feel that way living in the UK. One of the issues around aviation emissions is its likely growth as the middle class grows in SE Asia in particular.
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I’ve not read all the posts but I think it’s cool that this conversation is happening. I’m defiantly on one side of the argument but really interesting to hear the different views. Taking individual action to cut carbon emissions feels like a bit of a taboo these days.
If any is interested in having a look into their personal footprint their are loads of apps available, but the best one is the one I made a few years ago 
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More good news…
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Not great but still waiting for the sucker punch that silences deniers
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Do deniers have to care? Ultimately it is not their problem.