Climate Catastrophe

im nervous for some reason… i keep searching your post for a trap… :rofl:

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i can get something (the case in my mind was a soft toy) from the UK within nine days…

5 days from the UK warehouse, 4 days from there to my door.

i have to assume that was airfreight.

there was no option for a longer but cheaper wait…which got me thinking,

numbers below are hypothetical;

surely if i had to pay around $100 to air frieght the $40 (aus) package i would choose the $18 dollar slow haul.

you could say ‘dont get the toy at all’, which is my normal reaction, but not on this occasion for reasons i cant be arsed justifying or going into.

its interesting, once you think on it too, i remember my first LFC strip i had to buy from the (UK) club shop and wait around 6 weeks for it to hit aus…i cant even remember how my mum made it happen to be honest…

now, the day the strips come out in the UK shops, there here in the Aus shops… so theres definately lenty of demand on air frieght that is basically non essential…we can wait till october in aus for the strips to hit the shelves…surely…

someone mentioned above air frieght is a minimal slice, which i assume is correct, but it still must be a significant chunk that can be reduced pretty easily…just like the plastic wrapped fruit and veg… the slight inconvienience is really low hanging fruit in the scheme of things…

no on needs a sixpack of baked beans to be shrink wrapped etc etc…it just doesnt need to happen

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I just read an interesting statistic, saying that the internet is a significant contributor to global warming - about 1 billions tons of greenhouse gases annually, or roughly 4% of global emissions. The global airline industry is responsible for 4% too!

Just wondering, as we are all chatting crap on a Liverpool site, if the more eco minded among us have considered how much of this is essential? :joy:

Think of the electricity consumption, battery recharging, implications for data storage, not to mention the mineral extraction required for me to be able to sit here and write this on my iPad.

It’s a tricky business when we start getting into what is essential or not.

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how much of the internet is saving global emmissions though…yes, there is a cost involved, but in the alternative;

ok, so theres a cost to banking online, but surely its less than having to go into a branch circa 1980

ok, so theres a cost to paying my utilities online, but surely its cheaper than driving to the local branch or post office and standing in queue circa 1980

the list would be long…the fact i sit here and post remarkably insightful and genuinely hillarious content that has all my other forumites in utter awe with my spare 15 minutes would be negligable wouldnt it?

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I raised that point earlier in this thread actually.

The more concerning thing would actually be the training of AI models, which takes up a non-insignificant amount of energy.

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That is interesting, could you share the article? I’d like to know the system boundaries they used.

First thoughts are that the internet is something enjoyed by a lot (the majority?) of people on the planet. Where as flying is only available to a minority, even if it doesn’t feel that way living in the UK. One of the issues around aviation emissions is its likely growth as the middle class grows in SE Asia in particular.

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I’ve not read all the posts but I think it’s cool that this conversation is happening. I’m defiantly on one side of the argument but really interesting to hear the different views. Taking individual action to cut carbon emissions feels like a bit of a taboo these days.

If any is interested in having a look into their personal footprint their are loads of apps available, but the best one is the one I made a few years ago :wink:

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More good news…

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Not great but still waiting for the sucker punch that silences deniers

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Do deniers have to care? Ultimately it is not their problem.

Thats certainly and excuse i’ve seen and also fits with the “earths climate has always changed” trope.

And to answer the question directly, yes they should. Ignoring it today is creating issues for many many years to come. Firstly we havent seen the full impact of current co2 emissions and secondly even if we switched off now, the earth doesnt reset overnight.

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Of course I agree. Unfortunately, it is difficult to get everyone on the same page.

Only one country/entity/social/economic class has to have an “advantage” and the page, book, library, district, city and country are quite different very quickly…

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Not great

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It’s odd that the headline focuses on the revenue and not the main point of the tax.

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It would be achievable but it would need a change to the PNR data and some way of charging that at the time of booking.

An easier way would be to charge a takeoff tax based around the aircraft’s potential CO2 emissions per flight.

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A takeoff tax would have a parallel benefit. Short haul flights are far more problematic from a carbon efficiency perspective, because a startling percentage of fuel use occurs in take-off and climb to cruising altitude.

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Ahh physics…

This is Miami yesterday. It was a sunny day without rain
https://x.com/DanEBoy09/status/1846928923826733269

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I like pictures. Fascinating.
It popped up on my phone

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-carbon-emissions-per-capita-by-country/