Climate Catastrophe

There was a breakthrough the other day / last week from memory. I think they’ve actually managed to pull open the door by a really small amount to the conundrum of more energy out than in.

But yes, still a long way off.

Quite possibly. One thing I have read with climate change is there is more precipitation. If you add enough altitude that becomes snow, but I suspect the altitude you need to get to will be increasing from what it has been.

Winter before last there were numerous reports of resorts in the Pyrenees that simply couldn’t open. They didn’t have any snow and it wasn’t cold enough for them to justify turning the machines on.

There will also be local changes as air flows etc. change. I cant remember if I posted a recent article where scientists believe that the first signals of the gulf stream shutting down are now visible.

Yeah; I read that too.

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https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/598929320611854

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Understood, but they are completely disjointed thoughts that typically only go together in climate denial circles as a way of psuedojustifying the eventual call to action to take no action.

Yeah, ok guys, this is real. But, it’s always happened and we cannot really do anything to stop it anyway.

that’s your perspective. I live in a different world than you, I guess. I can only speak of my own actions, with an eye on everything else that is going on.

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Norwegian photographer Audun Rikardsen’s image of a slick of dead and dying herrings was used as evidence in a court case against the owner of a fishing boat.

Romanian photographer Gheorghe Popa took this shot of a small river in the Apuseni Mountains which has taken on these vivid colors due to toxic waste from a nearby mine.

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Wtf?

I’m supposed to be there now for work. One of my colleagues has an hour commute, got as far as the Bronx and had to turn around because there was no way to go any further into the city

The whole point of what they are doing is to disrupt society to highlight the pressing emergency we are faced with.

I know protests and actions are annoying, but we’ve been talking about Climate Change for forty years now and nothing has happened.

I don’t think it’s tenable to bemoan the lack of meaningful action on this thread and also criticise XR. Politer action has been going on for decades and achieved next to fuck all. At this point, where we are, and how little time we have, the discourse of CC needs people shaking shit up a bit.

Every movement for change has needed disruptive protest as part of the process. Suffrage, abolishionism, civil right. Etc. All will have had people saying at some point ‘these people are doing more harm than good’.

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Another excellent article from George Monbiot:

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This raises questions for me. I’m all for moving away from using oil for fuel cars, boiler, planes, whatever but what I cant get my head around is that we still need oil. Machines, no matter how they are powered have moving parts which means they need lubrication. Are there no oil based lubricants out there?

What about this?
https://www.boots.com/ky-jelly-personal-lubricant-75ml-10085528

Does this help your problem? :rofl:

Don’t worry- the collective jizz from Liverpool fans around the world when we sign Mbappé and Bellingham next year will keep the entire globe’s machinery running smoothly for the next decade.

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I’m sure that will do the job if I smear that all over my drive shafts

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Unless your burning the lubricants it wouldn’t be a problem. We’re also talking very small volumes compared to fuel. The problem will the price of lubricants, plastics etc when crude oil extraction is no longer propped up by the price of fuel. That will prob lead to a pick up in synthetic lubricants and alternatives to plastic. Fertiliser will be another big one where alternatives will need to be sought.

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Yep I just think its inaccurate to just say that we stop oil extraction.

Are we going to stop using plastics overnight? No, we cant, not immediately anyway. Note some plastics are extremely useful and not the nasty shit that we wrap our food in and throw in the bin when we open the packet.

Concrete is another - accounting for something like 2% of all global emissions i think.

Food is a real scary one I think, and encompasses your fertilizer issue (although there is enough shit in the world you would have thought). But there’s also meat production.

Yea it will take a bit of time but nothing like a price hike to force ingenuity!

I think the emissions from cement are in the high energy use to make it, rather than any ingredient derived from crude oil. With the fertiliser, like you say if meat production is also significantly reduced, ie not much shit produced. We may have to get comfortable with the idea of our food being fertilised with treated human shit…

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