Climate Catastrophe

They’re wasting their time. Short-term profits for the few are far more important than the long-term health of the many.

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Nail. Head. Who gives a shit if the world is uninhabitable in 200 years when I can make a killing by deforesting the Amazon now.

I don’t think the climate catastrophe can be solved by protests. Like what you mentioned, big businesses are not going to stop just because of protests. In Singapore, back then, there was a telco which ran a CSR that says that they are going to plant a few thousand trees if they reach certain targets…I left a comment to say, if you want to plant trees, just plant trees, why do you need financial targets to be met before you do something good? But thats the reality of corporate companies especially the giants. They are gonna do some CSR just for the sake of accountability and policies. Are companies gonna use lesser electricity to manufacture? Will they pay more for sustainable energy? Are we consumers willing to pay more for consumer goods that preach using sustainable sources? Will we really stop flying so that the world can be saved? Will we stop using air condition? We will play football matches in the day so that we don’t have to use flood lights? Will we encourage people to stop using vehicles to get to work, to stadiums, to anywhere?

The earth is doomed. Its only a matter of time and to me, its doing what I can within my resources and ability and then que sera sera.

For starters, the whole concept of Singapore has got to go.

An overcrowded tropical island where air-conditioning may well become a necessity in the near future, compounding the effects of global warming, that still wants to increase its population?

Now they’ve gone too far!!!

fixed it for irony.

mate, hate to break the news but Singapore having A/C was a necessity when I was staying in Jalan Besar neighborhood 20 yrs ago…

For comfort yes, but for the very act of living?

I don’t know if you’re being serious at this point so I’ll put this here for you

here’s your weekly Singapore forecast…52 weeks a year.

Yes I get that, I’m talking more about the point beyond human survivability, the physical limits.

you’re actually not saying anything, just inferring that people should be able to live there without climate control?

That line confused me. I was talking about wet-bulb temperatures going past the point where humans can survive, because the humidity and temperature makes it impossible for one’s body to regulate its temperature.

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I don’t understand why Phoenix is listed, if humidity is a factor, as the humidity in the valley in AZ is very low.

The wider point on human survivability is an interesting one.

Are we talking about working a physical job outside all day in the heat and humidity? That’s not really doable. Or if it is, for example construction crews, they tend to get out of the worst of the weather and work around it. Tough work, no doubt, but people do it.

Or are we talking about living in an air conditioned apartment, and driving an air conditioned car to an air conditioned office? And generally experiencing the heat, and humidity, for shorter times?

The latter is what we have been doing for many years.

seriously. Humanity has been adapting its surroundings for millennium.

the advent of AC just created conditions for places like Las Vegas and Phoenix to exist. and probably in the next 50 years with drought conditions, those places will cease to exist.

As our species slowly consumes the world’s natural resources, these issues will compound exponentially. as we clear the forests for consumables, the ground beneath will heat up and lose more moisture and increase overall global temperatures with more drought locations.

bare dirt becomes deserts due to soil erosion. We should be doing anything we can to protect forests.

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FIFY.

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one of my first jobs was at a reforestation facility. Pelton Reforestation, which then became PRT. https://www.prt.com/

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One of my worst and best jobs when I was growing up was working as a tree planter. Paid per tree, long hours, terrible living conditions even without the blackflies, and now decades later I think back to those days fondly.

I was in the block room where the seedlings came in styro grow blocks, and we packaged them for shipping. standing for 12 hrs a day all summer, was just a teen at the time. grueling work but good pay ($17/hr!!) for a student in 1991.

sometimes if I was lucky I got to go into the wash pit and clean the blocks for the next series of planting.

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reminds me of working in Mildura at Jacob’s Creek working the new plantings of chardonnay grapes. Huntsman and redbacks and black flies, oh my!

there’s a reason why I wore a fly net over a tilly hat down there… flies trying to crawl up your nose and in your mouth drives you nuts!


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Forestry bosses say it’s difficult to get and keep workers in what is a physically demanding job, but just how hard is it? Checkpoint host Lisa Owen planted trees for the day to find out.

She didn’t go back the second day… :rofl: